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At the very least, nicotine-free e-cigarettes allow people addicted to cigarettes to maintain the habit of smoking -- going outside, taking the mental break ass
by magic_beans 9y ago
At the very least, nicotine-free e-cigarettes allow people addicted to cigarettes to maintain the habit of smoking -- going outside, taking the mental break associated with cigarettes -- but without the damage of actual smoke or nicotine.
- nickjj 9y agoYou can do this without smoking anything too. I smoked a pack a day for over 10 years and quit cold turkey without any patches or vaping. The mental break thing is definitely real. I highly recommend just going outside. Maybe do a couple of laps around the block.
- EpicEng 9y ago"I did it, it should work for everyone!" We have decades of data showing that isn't the case.
- KekDemaga 9y ago"Some people make an attempt and fail, thus it must be impossible."
- EpicEng 9y agoThat doesn't follow. We know for an absolute fact that cold turkey doesn't work for most people. We also know that many people want to smoke even when knowing the dangers. A safer alternative is working better than anything before it ever has.
- KekDemaga 9y ago>We know for an absolute fact that cold turkey doesn't work for most people. No, you know that most people who attempt to quit "cold turkey" decide that quitting smoking permanently isn't as important as relieving their current symptoms of nicotine withdrawal. Its a minor point but an important distinction.
- EpicEng 9y agoSo, in other words... it doesn't work. Yours is in fact a completely unimportant distinction unless you're using it to support ecigs because... ...guess what they get with ecigs? A far safer alternative which allows them to continue their nicotine habit and enjoy the pleasures of smoking. So you're in support of ecigs now?
- KekDemaga 9y agoPeople should be able to consume what they want, but what you argue is like saying a chemotherapy doesn't cure cancer because patients give up on it after it makes them feel ill.
- EpicEng 9y agoIf ~90% of patients did actually give up on it in reality then yes, I would say that because it wouldn't work for 90% of patients. The medical community would move away from it. Of course, that's not the reality. every single one of your arguments are hypothetical metaphors that have no connection to the facts of the issue at hand. You have no practical solutions. You're only answer is for people to 'toughen up'. Quite the problem solver you are.
- KekDemaga 9y agoIs it ever appropriate for people to engage in self determination or should the lack of an easy solution always be an excuse for an individuals actions?
- EpicEng 9y agoSure, who said it was never appropriate. Sometimes it's the best and/or only course of action. Sometimes it's not, like right here.
- nickjj 9y agoI was just dropping in with a success story (which is important for anyone trying to quit because it's 1 more data point to reference). The reason most people fail to quit isn't because they are weak, or anything like that. It's simply because they don't want to really quit. I know of 6 people (including myself) who quit cold turkey after many years. The only thing we had in common was we were serious about quitting. One other person I knew who quit used the patch, but she was separate from the 6.
- EpicEng 9y ago>It's simply because they don't want to really quit. It is, which is why ecigs are so great and why patches and gum have largely failed.
- magic_beans 9y agoNot everyone is like you.