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Also permanent guys get to support contractors' code, which adds an insult to an injury.

by 201709User 9y ago

zimpenfish 9y ago
On the flip side, contractors have to sort out the mess that permanent guys have made.
- Nursie 9y ago
  And that's why we get the good money...
- maxxxxx 9y ago
  Unfortunately for every qualified contractor you have 20 clueless people hired from some body shop who make a mess of things. Good contractors are a rare breed.
  - Nursie 9y ago
    Eh, so are good employees are in the UK. I've been contracting five years, and the state of software engineering seems woeful in the small and medium sized countries of the UK.
    - Nursie 9y ago
      s/countries/companies/ Could have sworn I fixed that...
      - zimpenfish 9y ago
        To be fair, the UK is made of up small and medium countries.
    - Balero 9y ago
      As is the state of software engineering pay, and being lumped in with "IT".
- Kurtz79 9y ago
  And when the contract ends, the permanent guys have to sort out the mess the contractor made.
  - taneq 9y ago
    That's what you get for working with other people, I guess.
  - Swinx43 9y ago
    I get what you are saying. There are plenty of sub par contractors out there. Unfortunately there are just as many sub par permanent employees and consulting firms. I have seen terrible disasters developed by every single sort of person. The issue normally comes when we as developers seem more interested in doing "clever" things at the expense of making sure we code for maintainability and support ability. Combine the above with a large part of our community being terrible at communicating and you have a recipe for confusion and chaos.
    - zimpenfish 9y ago
      > developers seem more interested in doing "clever" things [looks at current codebase] > at the expense of making sure we code for maintainability and support ability [cries, etc.] (The current codebase is a masterpiece of cleverness - a single person's homegrown ORM and ObjectModel in Perl. Unfortunately that also means it's an overly complex, horribly unreadable, utterly unmaintainable piece of crap.)

Also permanent guys get to support contractors' code, which adds an insult to an injury.

zimpenfish 9y ago

On the flip side, contractors have to sort out the mess that permanent guys have made.

Nursie 9y ago
And that's why we get the good money...
maxxxxx 9y ago
Unfortunately for every qualified contractor you have 20 clueless people hired from some body shop who make a mess of things. Good contractors are a rare breed.
- Nursie 9y ago
  Eh, so are good employees are in the UK. I've been contracting five years, and the state of software engineering seems woeful in the small and medium sized countries of the UK.
  - Nursie 9y ago
    s/countries/companies/ Could have sworn I fixed that...
    - zimpenfish 9y ago
      To be fair, the UK is made of up small and medium countries.
  - Balero 9y ago
    As is the state of software engineering pay, and being lumped in with "IT".
Kurtz79 9y ago
And when the contract ends, the permanent guys have to sort out the mess the contractor made.
- taneq 9y ago
  That's what you get for working with other people, I guess.
- Swinx43 9y ago
  I get what you are saying. There are plenty of sub par contractors out there. Unfortunately there are just as many sub par permanent employees and consulting firms. I have seen terrible disasters developed by every single sort of person. The issue normally comes when we as developers seem more interested in doing "clever" things at the expense of making sure we code for maintainability and support ability. Combine the above with a large part of our community being terrible at communicating and you have a recipe for confusion and chaos.
  - zimpenfish 9y ago
    > developers seem more interested in doing "clever" things [looks at current codebase] > at the expense of making sure we code for maintainability and support ability [cries, etc.] (The current codebase is a masterpiece of cleverness - a single person's homegrown ORM and ObjectModel in Perl. Unfortunately that also means it's an overly complex, horribly unreadable, utterly unmaintainable piece of crap.)