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I'd rather we just let them be independent. Where's the harm in that? This country is already a juggernought. No more states. We could even stand to shed some

I'd rather we just let them be independent. Where's the harm in that? This country is already a juggernought. No more states. We could even stand to shed some others.

emodendroket 9y ago
The Puerto Rican economy, at least on the coasts, is highly intermingled with the US economy and it wouldn't necessarily be favorable to them to get independence. You'll find more support for it in the interior where it is more rural and people have fewer economic links to the United States.
- gasbag 9y ago
  > The Puerto Rican economy, at least on the coasts, is highly intermingled with the US economy In large part due to the Jones act, which discourages trade between PR and its Caribbean neighbors.
  - emodendroket 9y ago
    Even if you got rid of that, would a patchwork of Caribbean nations really replace the US as an economic partner?
    - gasbag 9y ago
      I don't think the US would stop trading with Puerto Rico, so I suppose the question is if the increased trade with Caribbean nations would offset however much trade with the US mainland would diminish. I don't know the answer to that, but it could probably be found by looking at how Caribbean nations' trade compares with Puerto Rico's trade today.
      - emodendroket 9y ago
        Yes, I'd just expect the "common market" effect would be significant. I'll bet it would have been harder to manufacture pharmaceuticals for sale in the US in the Dominican Republic, for instance.
  - scott00 9y ago
    Why does the Jones act discourage trade between PR and the Caribbean? My understanding is it mandates use of US ships for shipping between US ports. It should therefore have no effect on shipping between PR and the various non-US Caribbean nations.
    - gasbag 9y ago
      The act says that anytime a non-US ship carries goods that are from a US port, including Puerto Rico, it cannot take those goods to any other US port. So instead of being able to do a sequence of [Barbados, Puerto Rico, Florida, Barbados], a ship would have to instead follow [Barbados, Puerto Rico, Barbados, Florida, Barbados]. It doesn't eliminate trade entirely, but it definitely increases costs--especially in PR itself, which has to rely only on US ships for US goods, creating a monopoly.

I'd rather we just let them be independent. Where's the harm in that? This country is already a juggernought. No more states. We could even stand to shed some others.

emodendroket 9y ago

The Puerto Rican economy, at least on the coasts, is highly intermingled with the US economy and it wouldn't necessarily be favorable to them to get independence. You'll find more support for it in the interior where it is more rural and people have fewer economic links to the United States.

gasbag 9y ago
> The Puerto Rican economy, at least on the coasts, is highly intermingled with the US economy In large part due to the Jones act, which discourages trade between PR and its Caribbean neighbors.
- emodendroket 9y ago
  Even if you got rid of that, would a patchwork of Caribbean nations really replace the US as an economic partner?
  - gasbag 9y ago
    I don't think the US would stop trading with Puerto Rico, so I suppose the question is if the increased trade with Caribbean nations would offset however much trade with the US mainland would diminish. I don't know the answer to that, but it could probably be found by looking at how Caribbean nations' trade compares with Puerto Rico's trade today.
    - emodendroket 9y ago
      Yes, I'd just expect the "common market" effect would be significant. I'll bet it would have been harder to manufacture pharmaceuticals for sale in the US in the Dominican Republic, for instance.
- scott00 9y ago
  Why does the Jones act discourage trade between PR and the Caribbean? My understanding is it mandates use of US ships for shipping between US ports. It should therefore have no effect on shipping between PR and the various non-US Caribbean nations.
  - gasbag 9y ago
    The act says that anytime a non-US ship carries goods that are from a US port, including Puerto Rico, it cannot take those goods to any other US port. So instead of being able to do a sequence of [Barbados, Puerto Rico, Florida, Barbados], a ship would have to instead follow [Barbados, Puerto Rico, Barbados, Florida, Barbados]. It doesn't eliminate trade entirely, but it definitely increases costs--especially in PR itself, which has to rely only on US ships for US goods, creating a monopoly.