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I'm a firearms enthusiast and was shocked to read that the rotating trigger mechanism wasn't outlawed. It almost definitely will be after this massacre. I also

by troisx 9y ago

I'm a firearms enthusiast and was shocked to read that the rotating trigger mechanism wasn't outlawed. It almost definitely will be after this massacre. I also think that this is a strong case of genetics at play considering that the shooter didn't even spend time with his bank robber father. The psychopath apple didn't fall far from the psychopath tree.

adamnemecek 9y ago
> I also think that this is a strong case of genetics at play considering that the shooter didn't even spend time with his bank robber father. The psychopath apple didn't fall far from the psychopath tree. Wow doesn't that fit nicely into some narrative. His phrenologic profile was off the charts too and a Virgo on top of that!
- troisx 9y ago
  What narrative? That science is important? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2242349/#!po=15.8228 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2242349/#!po=15... There's more where that came from.
ultimoo 9y ago
I understand everyone is upset about what this terrorist did, so am I. However, we should be cautious about making statements about genetics. Apart from there not being any major scientific research behind it, it also leads to disturbing effects like the state detaining blood relatives of someone that commits crime because they will be more at risk of committing crimes in the future, thought-crimes, etc.
- Bromskloss 9y ago
  > this terrorist Do we know this? Do we know what his motivation was?
  - flukus 9y ago
    Not yet, but considering the sheer amount of guns in his hotel and home plus the explosives I'm willing to bet something motivated him more than mental illness.
    - Bromskloss 9y ago
      I'm afraid I don't follow. Are you referring to something particular? (Sorry for being thick!)
      - flukus 9y ago
        They found explosives and chemicals to make more at his home: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-03/las-vegas-shooting-guns-ammunition-explosives-stephen-paddock/9010698 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-03/las-vegas-shooting-gun... He's not just a random crazy person that bought a gun and went on a spree, there was a lot of planning involved, so he's probably a terrorist of some sort.
        dragonwriter 9y ago
        Deliberately planning mass murder doesn't make you a terrorist, just a mass murderer; terrorism is defined by a very specific kind of motivation that is far from the only motivation for planned mass murder.
  - RealGeek 9y ago
    Does his motivations make it any less terrorizing for the victims?
    - Bromskloss 9y ago
      It strikes terror (in the sense of _fear_) into the victims there and then all the same, sure. I was talking about whether or not it constitutes _terrorism_, though. I mean, it's terrorism if the purpose is to spread fear in a way that will further some cause, but not every killing is terrorism, right?
thebooktocome 9y ago
> It almost definitely will be after this massacre. No new gun control laws came out of Sandy Hook, or any of the other mass shootings in this decade. Why should this one be any different?
- goatherders 9y ago
  It won't. Our senators and congressmen are cowards.
swsieber 9y ago
I think the lack of a father figure plays into more than genetics. Additionally, fathers and sons share more than just genetics. They quite often share upbringing and culture. Not to mention the Father set that example of bank robbing.
1wheel 9y ago
I was surprised to see how simple the crank modification was http://twozprecision.com/product/gatcrank-15/ http://twozprecision.com/product/gatcrank-15/ Looks like a bump stock was used though https://apnews.com/e74a33083fb84b1b94c1ce3da986fd4f https://apnews.com/e74a33083fb84b1b94c1ce3da986fd4f
prostoalex 9y ago
I am not an enthusiast, hence the question - if outlawed, how difficult would it be for someone to re-create it in a metal shop, or with a 3D printer? I'd assume the designs are floating on the Internet somewhere.
- dingaling 9y ago
  Even the hallowed 'automatic sear' is just an arrangement of small metal shapes and springs. The annual volumes of Jane's Infantry Weapons used to have diagrams and detailed descriptions of the sears' operation. It's only penalties of law that prevents people making or distributing them, not complexity or wizardry. On the other hand the majority of NATO training emphasises rapid single shots, with bursts only for initiating ambush or breaking contact ( and usually only when authorised by the NCO ). Being limited to single-shot isn't therefore too much of a restriction.

by troisx 9y ago

adamnemecek 9y ago

> I also think that this is a strong case of genetics at play considering that the shooter didn't even spend time with his bank robber father. The psychopath apple didn't fall far from the psychopath tree. Wow doesn't that fit nicely into some narrative. His phrenologic profile was off the charts too and a Virgo on top of that!

troisx 9y ago
What narrative? That science is important? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2242349/#!po=15.8228 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2242349/#!po=15... There's more where that came from.

ultimoo 9y ago

I understand everyone is upset about what this terrorist did, so am I. However, we should be cautious about making statements about genetics. Apart from there not being any major scientific research behind it, it also leads to disturbing effects like the state detaining blood relatives of someone that commits crime because they will be more at risk of committing crimes in the future, thought-crimes, etc.

Bromskloss 9y ago
> this terrorist Do we know this? Do we know what his motivation was?
- flukus 9y ago
  Not yet, but considering the sheer amount of guns in his hotel and home plus the explosives I'm willing to bet something motivated him more than mental illness.
  - Bromskloss 9y ago
    I'm afraid I don't follow. Are you referring to something particular? (Sorry for being thick!)
    - flukus 9y ago
      They found explosives and chemicals to make more at his home: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-03/las-vegas-shooting-guns-ammunition-explosives-stephen-paddock/9010698 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-03/las-vegas-shooting-gun... He's not just a random crazy person that bought a gun and went on a spree, there was a lot of planning involved, so he's probably a terrorist of some sort.
      - dragonwriter 9y ago
        Deliberately planning mass murder doesn't make you a terrorist, just a mass murderer; terrorism is defined by a very specific kind of motivation that is far from the only motivation for planned mass murder.
- RealGeek 9y ago
  Does his motivations make it any less terrorizing for the victims?
  - Bromskloss 9y ago
    It strikes terror (in the sense of _fear_) into the victims there and then all the same, sure. I was talking about whether or not it constitutes _terrorism_, though. I mean, it's terrorism if the purpose is to spread fear in a way that will further some cause, but not every killing is terrorism, right?

thebooktocome 9y ago

> It almost definitely will be after this massacre. No new gun control laws came out of Sandy Hook, or any of the other mass shootings in this decade. Why should this one be any different?

goatherders 9y ago
It won't. Our senators and congressmen are cowards.

swsieber 9y ago

I think the lack of a father figure plays into more than genetics. Additionally, fathers and sons share more than just genetics. They quite often share upbringing and culture. Not to mention the Father set that example of bank robbing.

1wheel 9y ago

I was surprised to see how simple the crank modification was http://twozprecision.com/product/gatcrank-15/ http://twozprecision.com/product/gatcrank-15/ Looks like a bump stock was used though https://apnews.com/e74a33083fb84b1b94c1ce3da986fd4f https://apnews.com/e74a33083fb84b1b94c1ce3da986fd4f

prostoalex 9y ago

I am not an enthusiast, hence the question - if outlawed, how difficult would it be for someone to re-create it in a metal shop, or with a 3D printer? I'd assume the designs are floating on the Internet somewhere.

dingaling 9y ago
Even the hallowed 'automatic sear' is just an arrangement of small metal shapes and springs. The annual volumes of Jane's Infantry Weapons used to have diagrams and detailed descriptions of the sears' operation. It's only penalties of law that prevents people making or distributing them, not complexity or wizardry. On the other hand the majority of NATO training emphasises rapid single shots, with bursts only for initiating ambush or breaking contact ( and usually only when authorised by the NCO ). Being limited to single-shot isn't therefore too much of a restriction.