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I think the major problem is to think of "intelligence" as a problem in "computation". We are so used to this framing, that it may seem foreign. Others will ar

I think the major problem is to think of "intelligence" as a problem in "computation". We are so used to this framing, that it may seem foreign. Others will argue, that in principle it is a problem of computability but in extreme almost every problem is, but that is not necessarily how we frame other problems. I'd say "intelligence" is a control problem (as in controlling a robot). This framing, though subtle, makes the entire problem quite different. You no longer talk about computability but you talk about survival in "high temperature thermal bath" (or otherwise called "physical reality"), full of unpredictability and dangerous stuff. When you frame it like this, it is clear we have not even began to address the problem properly, not to even mention solving it.

chanakya 9y ago
Aren't other problems getting framed that way, too? Car driving is not inherently a problem in computation, but is becoming one. Robotic control (or other control problems) are certainly being solved by computation. Perhaps treating AI as a derivative of the control branch of computation could practically help speed up progress in some areas, but it shouldn't fundamentally change its nature.
- felippee 9y ago
  Well this is exactly my point. A lot of problems are currently framed as computation problem. As much as it might be useful for some, I'd argue that we should be careful with this. We get all the great marvels of deep learning, but robots remain stupid as bricks over 30 years of Moore's law. To me this (Moravec's paradox) is a signal that we are doing something wrong, and typically we do things wrong when they are not framed properly.
yters 9y ago
Ironically, the frame problem is one of those things AI cannot solve. The myopic belief in computational intelligence is a result of our materialism, which in turn is a result of our unwillingness to acknowledge God and live according to His will, which is ultimately best for us.

chanakya 9y ago

Aren't other problems getting framed that way, too? Car driving is not inherently a problem in computation, but is becoming one. Robotic control (or other control problems) are certainly being solved by computation. Perhaps treating AI as a derivative of the control branch of computation could practically help speed up progress in some areas, but it shouldn't fundamentally change its nature.

felippee 9y ago
Well this is exactly my point. A lot of problems are currently framed as computation problem. As much as it might be useful for some, I'd argue that we should be careful with this. We get all the great marvels of deep learning, but robots remain stupid as bricks over 30 years of Moore's law. To me this (Moravec's paradox) is a signal that we are doing something wrong, and typically we do things wrong when they are not framed properly.

yters 9y ago

Ironically, the frame problem is one of those things AI cannot solve. The myopic belief in computational intelligence is a result of our materialism, which in turn is a result of our unwillingness to acknowledge God and live according to His will, which is ultimately best for us.