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> But whatever your religious beliefs are, Galileo did lack proof. His model was wrong. You know who else lacked proof? It didn't bother you just as it didn't

by Luc 9y ago

> But whatever your religious beliefs are, Galileo did lack proof. His model was wrong. You know who else lacked proof? It didn't bother you just as it didn't bother the inquisition. Maybe try using the same standards for those theocrats as you apply to Galileo.

Sharlin 9y ago
The whole point is that geocentricism wasn't just dogma, it also happened to match observations. It was the null hypothesis, if you will, and Galileo failed to disprove the null hypothesis.
- Luc 9y ago
  The fact that a man had to fear for his life for having an opinion doesn't bare mentioning? All Galileo had to do was follow the rules as set out by the Inquisition, and all would have been well. It was all Galileo's fault!
  - mcv 9y ago
    Is it a fact that he had to fear for his life? We're not talking about the Spanish Inquisition or an accusation of witchcraft here. He was questioned and got house arrest. Of course it's still not good to get punished for dissing the pope according to our modern freedom of speech, but in those days, insulting rulers was still frowned upon. And Galileo went well beyond simply having an opinion; he insulted the pope. Not merely by ignoring the pope's instruction to present both alternatives in a balanced way, but by putting arguments from the pope (a good friend before this) in the mouth of a character called "Fool" (Simplico).
    - Luc 9y ago
      No. Galileo feared for his life more than once during decades of persecution. He was lucky to avoid torture. Read Heilbron's biography, or even just Wikipedia. This notion that Galileo insulting the pope was some sort of rhyme and reason for his persecution is wrong. It's commonly accepted that Galileo had no intention of insulting the pope, and the pope didn't take it as an insult (Heilbron goes into much detail) . There is some minor evidence involving the rumour that someone suggested to the pope that it looked bad, but this is not at all the central reason for his persecution. Did you get this from the Dava Sobel book? It's takes an awful license with history. Her Longitude book is the same, it's just wrong in so many aspects while presenting itself as accurate.
- Iv 9y ago
  Geocentrism could not explain retrograde motion of inner planets. This alone disqualify it as a serious hypothesis. Galileo may not have had solid proofs but geocentrism made absolutely no sense. Geocentrism only selling point was dogma: the idea that our planet was important and had to be in the center of the universe. That was the main reason to defend it. Geo heliocentrism was an attempt to keep this, but really, it makes little additional sense: it is basically a frame substitution for a heliocentric model and required some orbits to cross each other if you wanted to assume the outer planets orbited the Earth. Galileo had no solid proofs but lots of evidence: respective sizes of Earth and sun (there was an intuition that bigger objects were harder to move) the fact that other planets have moons.

by Luc 9y ago

Sharlin 9y ago

The whole point is that geocentricism wasn't just dogma, it also happened to match observations. It was the null hypothesis, if you will, and Galileo failed to disprove the null hypothesis.

Luc 9y ago
The fact that a man had to fear for his life for having an opinion doesn't bare mentioning? All Galileo had to do was follow the rules as set out by the Inquisition, and all would have been well. It was all Galileo's fault!
- mcv 9y ago
  Is it a fact that he had to fear for his life? We're not talking about the Spanish Inquisition or an accusation of witchcraft here. He was questioned and got house arrest. Of course it's still not good to get punished for dissing the pope according to our modern freedom of speech, but in those days, insulting rulers was still frowned upon. And Galileo went well beyond simply having an opinion; he insulted the pope. Not merely by ignoring the pope's instruction to present both alternatives in a balanced way, but by putting arguments from the pope (a good friend before this) in the mouth of a character called "Fool" (Simplico).
  - Luc 9y ago
    No. Galileo feared for his life more than once during decades of persecution. He was lucky to avoid torture. Read Heilbron's biography, or even just Wikipedia. This notion that Galileo insulting the pope was some sort of rhyme and reason for his persecution is wrong. It's commonly accepted that Galileo had no intention of insulting the pope, and the pope didn't take it as an insult (Heilbron goes into much detail) . There is some minor evidence involving the rumour that someone suggested to the pope that it looked bad, but this is not at all the central reason for his persecution. Did you get this from the Dava Sobel book? It's takes an awful license with history. Her Longitude book is the same, it's just wrong in so many aspects while presenting itself as accurate.
Iv 9y ago
Geocentrism could not explain retrograde motion of inner planets. This alone disqualify it as a serious hypothesis. Galileo may not have had solid proofs but geocentrism made absolutely no sense. Geocentrism only selling point was dogma: the idea that our planet was important and had to be in the center of the universe. That was the main reason to defend it. Geo heliocentrism was an attempt to keep this, but really, it makes little additional sense: it is basically a frame substitution for a heliocentric model and required some orbits to cross each other if you wanted to assume the outer planets orbited the Earth. Galileo had no solid proofs but lots of evidence: respective sizes of Earth and sun (there was an intuition that bigger objects were harder to move) the fact that other planets have moons.