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Chiming in with some 2011-2012 perspective for you, which is kinda-but-not-really-all-that-early. IMO you are wildly overblowing the "success" and apparent for
by strgcmc 9y ago
Chiming in with some 2011-2012 perspective for you, which is kinda-but-not-really-all-that-early. IMO you are wildly overblowing the "success" and apparent foreknowledge of early miners (i.e. you're displaying classic results-oriented thinking, because hindsight is 20-20 ofc). Anyways, anecdote != data, blah blah blah, make your own conclusions, blah blah.
I worked at Microsoft, and one of my coworkers started talking about Bitcoin. He was always one of the more cutting-edge, cyberphunk type of people, and he said he got a group of his tech friends to agree to build a "mining farm" in their closet basically, mostly as an expensive hobby of sorts (he was a motorcycle guy, so he had no problem spending money on expensive hobbies).
They spent around $25k-$30k buying GPUs overall; they had great difficulty acquiring their GPUs, as by the time they had decided to start this venture and went to the local Best Buys and Fry's and whatnot, all the good high-end GPUs were sold out already (meaning there was ample competition in the Seattle area already, as they talked to the Best Buy guys who were also puzzled by the sudden increase in demand for high-end GPUs).
Eventually by late 2012, with the increasing competition for mining, the rise of ASICs, high volatility, and no way to foresee the future, last I heard they eventually liquidated everything, sold their hardware and their BTC, and had recouped their costs and made a small profit, but not much more than anyone with $25k-$30k could've made just gambling on some regular stock picks. In other words, they bought in at or around the bubble to ~$30 in mid-2011, and didn't hold out long enough to see the growth to $100-$200 in 2013.
Myself, I dabbled with pool mining using just the single GPU in my own gaming PC for 3 months in the summer. I told my roommates and voluntarily increased my share of the electric bill (which went up by about $80-100/month, iirc). I received ~5 BTC, which at the then exchange rates, meant that I made like $50 or something silly after paying for electricity (but not counting the $2.5K gaming PC, which I bought earlier and without knowing about cryptocurrency).
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The point of this story is to say that, even fairly sophisticated and "hardcore" hobbyists, i.e. those willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars to dabble in Bitcoin, were by and large not minting millions and millions. Most people sold their coins along the way, either in the rise and falls between $0 to $1, or between $1 to $30, or between $30 to $1000, or between $1000 to $4000+. There was no grand conspiracy, and certainly no way to know that Bitcoin would actually survive (would you call this thriving?) to where it is today. Almost universally, unless you were on the cutting edge of the ASIC race for a long long time, for every old miner out there who spent thousands (millions?) on hardware, they would've been better off simply buying and holding bitcoin the whole time instead.
- nosuchthing 9y agoSo the whales just swallowed up more? The whales in the room traded minimal amounts of energy and capital in the acquisition of the early majority stake at significantly lower production/energy/capital cost. This is by design from "Satoshi" who created an economic model which effectively functions like a pump and dump or a ponzi. Hold until when? your investment 2x's or 10x's and who's buying [2]? Why are they buying? (hint: it's certainly not because there's a "limited" supply of blockchain ledger networks granting access to a decentralized database [3]) In economics, the Gini coefficient is the standard measure of how inequitable a society is. This is tricky to determine for Bitcoin, as it's not quiet a "society" in the Gini sense, one person may have multiple addresses and many addresses have been used only once or a few times. (The commonly-cited figure of 0.88 is based on one small exchange in 2011.) However, a Citigroup analysis from early 2014 notes: "47 individuals hold about 30 percent, another 900 a further 20 percent, the next 10,000 about 25% and another million about 20%"; and distribution "looks much like the distribution of wealth in North Korea and makes China's and even the US' wealth distribution look like that of a workers' paradise Dorit Ron and Adi Shamir found in a 2012 study that only 22% of then-existing Bitcoins were in circulation at all, there were a total of 75 active users or businesses with any kind of volume, one (unidentified) user owned a quarter of all Bitcoins in existence, and one large owner was trying to hide their pile by moving it around in thousands of smaller transactions. (Shamir is one of the most renowned cryptographers in the world and the "S" in "RSA encryption")" [1] "Attack of the 50 Foot Blockchain" via https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=davidgerard https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=davidgerard [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool [3] https://coinmarketcap.com/all/views/all/ https://coinmarketcap.com/all/views/all/