3 ms·

Excellent. Please send me a check for this insignificant amount, at current wholesale (business consumption) rates.

melling 9y ago
What does the amount of money have to do with anything? If someone found a way to reduce the $20 trillion US deficit by 0.09%, and someone said that it’s not significant, would it rate the snarky “well, then send me a check for that amount”? Would you optimize a program by refactoring a function that used 0.09% of the execution time?
- Nomentatus 9y ago
  Yes, I often have done such refactoring. It's hard to get that last 20% of speed, much less last 5% without making a large number of small changes in code, usually after getting accumulated trace results (however presented.) .1% = one in one thousand. Keep stacking up those improvements and you do get somewhere, and often you'll easily find one hundred very small improvements in a day (10% altogether!) if it's green code, along with the bigger inefficiencies to fix. Not to mention that ignoring a presently-small inefficiency is predicting that future use won't swell that into a problem - which can be most unwise. Also, looking for tiny improvements gives you a good chance to stumble upon larger improvements you'd missed earlier. Optimize much?
  - melling 9y ago
    You’re doing a lot of hand waving: “One hundred small improvements in a day” That’s a lot of work in an 8-10 hour day... “if it's green code,..” My point is that you don’t start by looking for 0.09% improvements when you’re profiling your code. As for climate change, we are looking for cleaner energy options. The world’s energy use is going to increase greatly as billions more come out of poverty. China, for example, is going to increase nuclear energy to be almost on par with the US over the next decade: https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/09/china-will-more-than-double-nuclear-energy-by-mid-2020s.html https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/09/china-will-more-than-d...
    - Nomentatus 9y ago
      Ya made me look - but no, you weren't saying starting. Nothing of the kind.
- Robotbeat 9y ago
  How much of the economy uses Bitcoin, though? That's the denominator to use.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
LoSboccacc 9y ago
this is it, we reached peak strawman
- Nomentatus 9y ago
  Do explain.
  - LoSboccacc 9y ago
    argument: 0.09 is insignificant for climate impact counterpoint: 0.09 is a lot of money for one person the rebuttal has zero to do with the point given and even less to do with the overall thread about mining being wasteful.
    - Nomentatus 9y ago
      But the point, precisely, is that the amount is actually a lot of money for most countries, never mind a single person. That any attempt at any real economy can't ignore 1 in one thousand - especially if it might balloon 100x. Not sure you really read carefully.

What does the amount of money have to do with anything? If someone found a way to reduce the $20 trillion US deficit by 0.09%, and someone said that it’s not significant, would it rate the snarky “well, then send me a check for that amount”? Would you optimize a program by refactoring a function that used 0.09% of the execution time?

Nomentatus 9y ago
Yes, I often have done such refactoring. It's hard to get that last 20% of speed, much less last 5% without making a large number of small changes in code, usually after getting accumulated trace results (however presented.) .1% = one in one thousand. Keep stacking up those improvements and you do get somewhere, and often you'll easily find one hundred very small improvements in a day (10% altogether!) if it's green code, along with the bigger inefficiencies to fix. Not to mention that ignoring a presently-small inefficiency is predicting that future use won't swell that into a problem - which can be most unwise. Also, looking for tiny improvements gives you a good chance to stumble upon larger improvements you'd missed earlier. Optimize much?
- melling 9y ago
  You’re doing a lot of hand waving: “One hundred small improvements in a day” That’s a lot of work in an 8-10 hour day... “if it's green code,..” My point is that you don’t start by looking for 0.09% improvements when you’re profiling your code. As for climate change, we are looking for cleaner energy options. The world’s energy use is going to increase greatly as billions more come out of poverty. China, for example, is going to increase nuclear energy to be almost on par with the US over the next decade: https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/09/china-will-more-than-double-nuclear-energy-by-mid-2020s.html https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/09/china-will-more-than-d...
  - Nomentatus 9y ago
    Ya made me look - but no, you weren't saying starting. Nothing of the kind.
Robotbeat 9y ago
How much of the economy uses Bitcoin, though? That's the denominator to use.
deleted 9y ago
[deleted]

LoSboccacc 9y ago

this is it, we reached peak strawman

Nomentatus 9y ago
Do explain.
- LoSboccacc 9y ago
  argument: 0.09 is insignificant for climate impact counterpoint: 0.09 is a lot of money for one person the rebuttal has zero to do with the point given and even less to do with the overall thread about mining being wasteful.
  - Nomentatus 9y ago
    But the point, precisely, is that the amount is actually a lot of money for most countries, never mind a single person. That any attempt at any real economy can't ignore 1 in one thousand - especially if it might balloon 100x. Not sure you really read carefully.