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I learned of it by watching my parents use it while growing up in the Jim Crow south. You people were never supposed to know of it. You could not be trusted n

by d2mo 9y ago

I learned of it by watching my parents use it while growing up in the Jim Crow south. You people were never supposed to know of it. You could not be trusted not to burn the businesses to the ground. Are any reader surprised to learn that such is still very much needed and that several things things may well still exist and be in use to this day? Same as it ever was. Thats why those of us who live through it still teach our children and grandchildren to "Never Trust Whitey". Funny how White folk are offended by that concept.

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RhodesianHunter 9y ago
Some people you can trust. Others you can't. This has no correlation with skin color. To think otherwise is... well... racist.
- alphakappa 9y ago
  That's a naive belief to have in practice. If you are part of a group that has been systematically oppressed by a different group because of your skin color, there is a valid correlation between trust and skin color. To think otherwise is... well... naive.
  - scoofy 9y ago
    Saying "not being a racist is naive" sounds just as stupid when applied to whites as it does to when applied to blacks, asians, hispanics, jews, etc., etc. Being racist is stupid, not smart
  - hyperdunc 9y ago
    Fortunately, there's no more systematic oppression. Dwelling on past systematic injustices hampers building trust. Better to just call out instances of racism when we see them.
    - cooper12 9y ago
      > Fortunately, there's no more systematic oppression Ahh, thank god you declared it and it became so. At best you're sheltered and ignorant, and at worse you're being purposefully obtuse.
      - hyperdunc 9y ago
        I was talking about the systematic oppression of black people. If you're talking about affirmative action then I agree that whites and Asians are systematically discriminated against.
        cooper12 9y ago
        So it's the latter then. Nice talking to you.
  - blackbagboys 9y ago
    There are quite a few valid correlations that judging individuals on the basis of would be considered racist.
  - taneq 9y ago
    It's funny how racist apologetics sound the same no matter what race is being targeted.
- theyregreat 9y ago
  Be a black person with a broken-down car in the middle of nowhere in Alabama and say that. Lots of luck.
- egypturnash 9y ago
  I'm a white lady who grew up in the south and yeah, I got absolutely no problems with black people not trusting us white folks. We've treated them like shit for a long-ass time.
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- forapurpose 9y ago
  > Some people you can trust. Others you can't. This has no correlation with skin color. That's the ideal, which I fully support, but tragically it is not at all the reality of people with black skin in the U.S. > racist In a small way, it's an interesting philosophical debate about semantics, but it has nothing to do with the very real, critical issue, which has caused centuries of suffering and oppression for millions of people. While we argue about words, they are in real pain.
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- rrego 9y ago
  You're totally ignoring or forgetting context. Which is that the green book exists because of the Jim Crow laws at the time, along with the general racism. It's not remotely racist to stay away from white businesses when there is a certain possibility of service refusal, and a possibility that you might be assulted and killed. Hence the necessity of this book. To say that his family was racist for not trusting white people with the books info, is to be totally ignorant (Tulsa is one example). You have an extremely weird idea of racism that is not grounded in reality.
- hacking_again 9y ago
  It's not racist to assume that you can more safely trust other people that look like you, because most people are racist and are therefore less likely to betray the trust of someone who looks like them. There are sociology / anthropology / psychology experiments and studies and stuff if you look.
  - orcdork 9y ago
    Yeah, going through life using sociology / anthropology / psychology experiments as a moral compass sounds like something a well adjusted person would do.
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- nkozyra 9y ago
  I think this is less a correlation with skin color than culture, tradition, inertia and education (or lack thereof). It's demonstrably real, and why it takes decades or centuries to undo. The lasting inertia of institutional racism in the United States is pretty hard to ignore, though I've encountered my share of people who think it's all in the past. "Trust" assumes a fair, even starting point.
cpufry 9y ago
the lack of empathy and casual disregard i often see from educated liberal white folk when it comes this stuff makes my stomach turn.
scottLobster 9y ago
And why shouldn't I be offended? You're bald-faced admitting to not trusting me due to my skin color, based on traumatic experiences you had decades before I was born, hundreds of miles away from the place of my birth. I hope for your sake you don't make other life choices with that kind of logic. And you're teaching these obsolete lessons to your children and grandchildren, hampering the massive progress society has already made since 1956. That's not to say discrimination doesn't exist today, and maybe "Never Trust Whitey" was a survival mechanism in the Jim Crow south, but I was taught the whole purpose of the civil rights movement was to move past mentalities like yours.
- mplewis 9y ago
  The "whole purpose of the civil rights movement" was to secure rights for people who didn't have them, not to placate the sensibilities of the oppressors. In the US, to this day, we have terribly segregated and unequal communities where "never trust whitey" is a survival strategy, especially when it comes to police.
  - d2mo 9y ago
    Not "didnt have them..." rights that were usurped by the majority for fun and profit. There is a difference. Getting what back $10 that was stolen from me is not the same as making a new $10.
  - notgood 9y ago
    ...but black to black violence is much more frequent than any other[0] (incl. white to white and black to white, percentage wise), so for blacks that "survival strategy" is not doing much for survivorship. Relevant quotes: >Those 7,881 “black bodies,” in the parlance of Ta-Nehisi Coates, are 1,305 more than the number of white victims (which in this case includes most Hispanics) for the same period, though blacks are only 13 percent of the nation’s population. >Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. >Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. [0] http://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/ http://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-r...
unlmtd1 9y ago
I teach my children to never trust anyone.
Divver 9y ago
When my Malaysian immigrant parents bought their first ever house in America (actually still to this day their only house), It was in a neighborhood in what was a small town about 20-30 minutes away from the Capitol city in Boise, ID It was around 2000 and we were the first non-white family to move into that neighborhood. Our experience there was a mixed bag. There was some of the nicest neighbrods who helped us move in with their pick up trucks saving us a ton of money which we didn’t have at the time. And even a year ago when my parents moved to California, many of the neighbors got their pickup trucks again and helped them with the move. But that was the good parts. Sadly there were also other kinds of folk. We were Buddhist/Hindus but because we were brown and many people didn’t know about Hinduism, basically all brown Asian people of middle-eastern or south Asian ancestry/ethnicity/looks got lumped in with the same stereotypes And my parents had met some Malaysians who were studying abroad here in Idaho which got them so excited they invited them over. They were Malaysian Muslims wearinf the headscarf and stuff and so when they were leaving our house My mom gave the wife of the couple a big hug and one of the not so friendly neighbors saw that so I’m guessing they assumed we were Muslim. And I got lots of terrorist comments and mean bomb jokes thrown at me. I guess I never understood Xenophobia towards Muslims Because my mom (who is Hindu) had best friends from her childhood in India who were Muslims And also I had visited Malaysia which is 60% Muslim. And they were very open minded and modern people just like here in the West. In fact Malaysia was far more progressive than India (which is where my mom grew up during her childhood because Malaysia was having race riots at the time so she stayed in India for her safety). Malaysia is a multi-ethic multi-religious countries made of multi-generation Malays (Indonesian immigrants), multi-generations Chinese, and multi-generation Indians. And they all date in high school and are super liberal-progressive and big of fighting for women’s rights and taking rose and sexual assault seriously it is very surprising Since on average most Hindus and Muslims I’ve met or seen in India or the Middle East are very conservative and the record on women’s sexual rights in India and the Middle East is very limited still to this day. So I guess SouthEast Asia or at least Malaysia is oddly different. So my experience with Muslims in general is probably quite different from most conservative Westerners who haven’t traveled I guess. It’s sad how ignorance and lack of exposure is probably one of the biggest contributors to bigotry and ignorance, of course trying to maintain power and control over minorities is probably also a strong reason. I remember in Middle School all the stuff people kept saying about Hindusm “Why does your religious step on babies?” Etc etc. I remember asking my mom that when I got back home from school and she laughed saying “If we stepped on babies I’m pretty sure India wouldn’t be overpopulated” But prejudice by the majority race/religion isn’t limited to America. When I visited Malaysia (I’m an American citizen but was a child immigrant who left Malaysia at the age of 5 and grew up here in the US my entire life since the age of 5) in 2007 there was an old fair skinned Malay lady in the train and when an dark skinned Indian man sat next to her She started yelling racist things to him telling him to go back to India Even though he’s a 4th generation Tamil (Tamil is South Indian) Malaysian. And in India recently I’m starting to see some rising Hindu nationalism similar to the Trump Christian nationalism. Both of which are silly since they go against the founding Constituonal principles of secularism and religious freedom enshrined in both country’s constitutions. I don’t understand why but this phenomenon of the majority race or religion fearing minorities and wanting to suppress minorties to maintain power Is quite widespread on a global scale. Anyway there wasn’t really a point to this ramble other than to share a story and some perspective on race and religion issues.
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RhodesianHunter 9y ago

Some people you can trust. Others you can't. This has no correlation with skin color. To think otherwise is... well... racist.

alphakappa 9y ago
That's a naive belief to have in practice. If you are part of a group that has been systematically oppressed by a different group because of your skin color, there is a valid correlation between trust and skin color. To think otherwise is... well... naive.
- scoofy 9y ago
  Saying "not being a racist is naive" sounds just as stupid when applied to whites as it does to when applied to blacks, asians, hispanics, jews, etc., etc. Being racist is stupid, not smart
- hyperdunc 9y ago
  Fortunately, there's no more systematic oppression. Dwelling on past systematic injustices hampers building trust. Better to just call out instances of racism when we see them.
  - cooper12 9y ago
    > Fortunately, there's no more systematic oppression Ahh, thank god you declared it and it became so. At best you're sheltered and ignorant, and at worse you're being purposefully obtuse.
    - hyperdunc 9y ago
      I was talking about the systematic oppression of black people. If you're talking about affirmative action then I agree that whites and Asians are systematically discriminated against.
      - cooper12 9y ago
        So it's the latter then. Nice talking to you.
- blackbagboys 9y ago
  There are quite a few valid correlations that judging individuals on the basis of would be considered racist.
- taneq 9y ago
  It's funny how racist apologetics sound the same no matter what race is being targeted.
theyregreat 9y ago
Be a black person with a broken-down car in the middle of nowhere in Alabama and say that. Lots of luck.
egypturnash 9y ago
I'm a white lady who grew up in the south and yeah, I got absolutely no problems with black people not trusting us white folks. We've treated them like shit for a long-ass time.
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forapurpose 9y ago
> Some people you can trust. Others you can't. This has no correlation with skin color. That's the ideal, which I fully support, but tragically it is not at all the reality of people with black skin in the U.S. > racist In a small way, it's an interesting philosophical debate about semantics, but it has nothing to do with the very real, critical issue, which has caused centuries of suffering and oppression for millions of people. While we argue about words, they are in real pain.
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rrego 9y ago
You're totally ignoring or forgetting context. Which is that the green book exists because of the Jim Crow laws at the time, along with the general racism. It's not remotely racist to stay away from white businesses when there is a certain possibility of service refusal, and a possibility that you might be assulted and killed. Hence the necessity of this book. To say that his family was racist for not trusting white people with the books info, is to be totally ignorant (Tulsa is one example). You have an extremely weird idea of racism that is not grounded in reality.
hacking_again 9y ago
It's not racist to assume that you can more safely trust other people that look like you, because most people are racist and are therefore less likely to betray the trust of someone who looks like them. There are sociology / anthropology / psychology experiments and studies and stuff if you look.
- orcdork 9y ago
  Yeah, going through life using sociology / anthropology / psychology experiments as a moral compass sounds like something a well adjusted person would do.
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nkozyra 9y ago
I think this is less a correlation with skin color than culture, tradition, inertia and education (or lack thereof). It's demonstrably real, and why it takes decades or centuries to undo. The lasting inertia of institutional racism in the United States is pretty hard to ignore, though I've encountered my share of people who think it's all in the past. "Trust" assumes a fair, even starting point.

cpufry 9y ago

the lack of empathy and casual disregard i often see from educated liberal white folk when it comes this stuff makes my stomach turn.

scottLobster 9y ago

And why shouldn't I be offended? You're bald-faced admitting to not trusting me due to my skin color, based on traumatic experiences you had decades before I was born, hundreds of miles away from the place of my birth. I hope for your sake you don't make other life choices with that kind of logic. And you're teaching these obsolete lessons to your children and grandchildren, hampering the massive progress society has already made since 1956. That's not to say discrimination doesn't exist today, and maybe "Never Trust Whitey" was a survival mechanism in the Jim Crow south, but I was taught the whole purpose of the civil rights movement was to move past mentalities like yours.

mplewis 9y ago
The "whole purpose of the civil rights movement" was to secure rights for people who didn't have them, not to placate the sensibilities of the oppressors. In the US, to this day, we have terribly segregated and unequal communities where "never trust whitey" is a survival strategy, especially when it comes to police.
- d2mo 9y ago
  Not "didnt have them..." rights that were usurped by the majority for fun and profit. There is a difference. Getting what back $10 that was stolen from me is not the same as making a new $10.
- notgood 9y ago
  ...but black to black violence is much more frequent than any other[0] (incl. white to white and black to white, percentage wise), so for blacks that "survival strategy" is not doing much for survivorship. Relevant quotes: >Those 7,881 “black bodies,” in the parlance of Ta-Nehisi Coates, are 1,305 more than the number of white victims (which in this case includes most Hispanics) for the same period, though blacks are only 13 percent of the nation’s population. >Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. >Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. [0] http://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/ http://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-r...

unlmtd1 9y ago

I teach my children to never trust anyone.

Divver 9y ago

When my Malaysian immigrant parents bought their first ever house in America (actually still to this day their only house), It was in a neighborhood in what was a small town about 20-30 minutes away from the Capitol city in Boise, ID It was around 2000 and we were the first non-white family to move into that neighborhood. Our experience there was a mixed bag. There was some of the nicest neighbrods who helped us move in with their pick up trucks saving us a ton of money which we didn’t have at the time. And even a year ago when my parents moved to California, many of the neighbors got their pickup trucks again and helped them with the move. But that was the good parts. Sadly there were also other kinds of folk. We were Buddhist/Hindus but because we were brown and many people didn’t know about Hinduism, basically all brown Asian people of middle-eastern or south Asian ancestry/ethnicity/looks got lumped in with the same stereotypes And my parents had met some Malaysians who were studying abroad here in Idaho which got them so excited they invited them over. They were Malaysian Muslims wearinf the headscarf and stuff and so when they were leaving our house My mom gave the wife of the couple a big hug and one of the not so friendly neighbors saw that so I’m guessing they assumed we were Muslim. And I got lots of terrorist comments and mean bomb jokes thrown at me. I guess I never understood Xenophobia towards Muslims Because my mom (who is Hindu) had best friends from her childhood in India who were Muslims And also I had visited Malaysia which is 60% Muslim. And they were very open minded and modern people just like here in the West. In fact Malaysia was far more progressive than India (which is where my mom grew up during her childhood because Malaysia was having race riots at the time so she stayed in India for her safety). Malaysia is a multi-ethic multi-religious countries made of multi-generation Malays (Indonesian immigrants), multi-generations Chinese, and multi-generation Indians. And they all date in high school and are super liberal-progressive and big of fighting for women’s rights and taking rose and sexual assault seriously it is very surprising Since on average most Hindus and Muslims I’ve met or seen in India or the Middle East are very conservative and the record on women’s sexual rights in India and the Middle East is very limited still to this day. So I guess SouthEast Asia or at least Malaysia is oddly different. So my experience with Muslims in general is probably quite different from most conservative Westerners who haven’t traveled I guess. It’s sad how ignorance and lack of exposure is probably one of the biggest contributors to bigotry and ignorance, of course trying to maintain power and control over minorities is probably also a strong reason. I remember in Middle School all the stuff people kept saying about Hindusm “Why does your religious step on babies?” Etc etc. I remember asking my mom that when I got back home from school and she laughed saying “If we stepped on babies I’m pretty sure India wouldn’t be overpopulated” But prejudice by the majority race/religion isn’t limited to America. When I visited Malaysia (I’m an American citizen but was a child immigrant who left Malaysia at the age of 5 and grew up here in the US my entire life since the age of 5) in 2007 there was an old fair skinned Malay lady in the train and when an dark skinned Indian man sat next to her She started yelling racist things to him telling him to go back to India Even though he’s a 4th generation Tamil (Tamil is South Indian) Malaysian. And in India recently I’m starting to see some rising Hindu nationalism similar to the Trump Christian nationalism. Both of which are silly since they go against the founding Constituonal principles of secularism and religious freedom enshrined in both country’s constitutions. I don’t understand why but this phenomenon of the majority race or religion fearing minorities and wanting to suppress minorties to maintain power Is quite widespread on a global scale. Anyway there wasn’t really a point to this ramble other than to share a story and some perspective on race and religion issues.

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