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Anyone know how it compares to Darktable? I've just gotten my workflow down on Linux so I'm curious how they stack up.

ohazi 9y ago
I tried both around a year ago. Darktable was buggier. When darktable was working well enough for a comparison, the out-of-the-box workflow in RawTherapee seemed a lot better to me.
- tambienben 9y ago
  I prefer darktable's workflow to Rawtherapee's for organizing photos. I just wish it would quit crashing on OSX.
thristian 9y ago
Last I checked (maybe a year or two ago) Darktable was an integrated photo-management tool for ingesting, sorting, cataloguing and developing RAWs, while RawTherapee was almost entirely built for developing RAWs with just a few management features on the side.
- rqs 9y ago
  Well, darktable user here (Also a RawTherapee 5.0 user). I just closed darktable few minutes ago, so I guess that made my experience of it pretty fresh. On my system (Ubuntu 17.4), darktable runs nicely. And it's easier to use than RawTherapee. I only encountered some problems cause it to freeze up when loading photos, but I can't figure out the reason (Of course it's not because I'm loading photos). RawTherapee is bit harder / complicate to use, but once you used to it, they're almost the same (Not totally, like darktable's Vibrance adjustment is far weaker than RawTherapee's etc). One problem with RawTherapee for me is, it sometime can't correctly recognize the color profile of my camera, so the initial preview look over exposed and require manual adjustment. I didn't get same problem with darktable.
- stevekemp 9y ago
  Yup that matches my recollection too. I use RawTherapee for all my RAW-processing, and I find it both easy to use, and very flexible. One of the reasons I use RT is because it doesn't try to take ownership of my images. I have a hierachy of images that looks something like this: Images/ Images/2017 Images/2017/10 Images/2017/10/01-jody/ Images/2017/10/01-jody/RAW Images/2017/10/01-jody/JPG Images/2017/10/01-jody/JPG/thumbs Images/2017/10/01-jody/Public/ I like that I can file things my own way, and use the tool just to export from .CR2 -> .JPG.
  - brudgers 9y ago
    In Darktable, applying styles to the light table `Export` module is a way of sending 'prints' to a standard subdirectory structure. Bash scripts calling darktable-cli might be another possibility for automating a similar process at higher volumes. Having used both Dartable and Rawtherapee, part of the reason I primarily use Darktable is that it seems to better facilitate working through a few hundred images in a few hours...a use case that not everyone has and that some people might reasonably not ever wish to have but one that I deal with based on the type of subjects I sometimes shoot.
    - stevekemp 9y ago
      A 1-2 hour shoot for me with a model might easily result in 500+ images. But I've found with the rating system of rawtherapee it is easy to process such a large number of images efficiently.
unicornporn 9y ago
The reason I don't (and wouldn't) use RawTherapee is that it does not have any selection tools that allows you to edit parts of the image (beyond gradients). What this means is that you set your global contrast and export the file for further dodging/burning and edits in Photoshop, Gimp or some other software. If you increased the contrast of the image in RawTherapee you will have darkened the shadows. So, when you open the exported bitmap in Photoshop, dodging an eye or some other part in will give you a lot more noise and a lot less headroom compared to doing this work on the undemosaiced data. This is a big design fail and an actual problem if you go beyond the most basic raw conversion.
- ygra 9y ago
  Lightroom defaults to 16-bpc color when switching to Photoshop or other external programs. Wouldn't that solve the noise issue in your case?
  - unicornporn 9y ago
    I was not complaining about Lightroom. It has excellent selection tools and brushes. My criticism applies to RawTherapee.
    - ygra 9y ago
      My point was that you could probably simply export as 16-bpc TIFF and I'd be surprised if RawTherapee didn't support that (cursory search through the docs suggests that it can do so).
std_throwaway 9y ago
I've tried both a for some time and stuck with Darktable. * RawTherapee runs on Windows since years. * Darktable just started the Windows port. * RawTherapee seems to provide more functions. * Darktable seems to be better integrated and polished. * RawTherapee was a bit easier to get into. * Darktable has a better workflow if you're into it. * Darktable also seems to be more "stable" in the sense that not everything changes meaning all the time and most things work like expected. In the end, the workflow was the deciding factor for me. It just felt way better and more efficient. Technologically they are different. RawTherapee should have more potential once they manage to clean up the user interface.
sciv 9y ago
Last I checked (a couple of months ago), DT had a WAY better workflow, and it's better integrated (as mentioned in another comment here). Also as I've seen mentioned in other comments, it lacks local adjustment tools and/or anything remotely equivalent to the masks system in DT. It does have some interesting tools, but comparing DT to RT feels like comparing Ps to GIMP... there's a fundamental capability in the workflow that you'll feel missing if coming from DT to RT.
teilo 9y ago
RawTherapee is terrible with DNG files. I have a lot of Olympus E-M1 images that I had Lightroom convert to DNG. DarkTable handles these files just fine. They are unusable in RawTherapee. The issue is that RawTherapee can only handle Linear DNGs. Linear DNGs are essentially TIFF files where the underlying sensor data has been de-mosaiced and normalized. A Linear DNG retains the higher color depth of the sensor, but it's not RAW. DarkTable has no such limitation. It properly recognizes the underlying CFA scheme (which are different for different sensors), and processes them properly.

I tried both around a year ago. Darktable was buggier. When darktable was working well enough for a comparison, the out-of-the-box workflow in RawTherapee seemed a lot better to me.

tambienben 9y ago
I prefer darktable's workflow to Rawtherapee's for organizing photos. I just wish it would quit crashing on OSX.

thristian 9y ago

Last I checked (maybe a year or two ago) Darktable was an integrated photo-management tool for ingesting, sorting, cataloguing and developing RAWs, while RawTherapee was almost entirely built for developing RAWs with just a few management features on the side.

rqs 9y ago
Well, darktable user here (Also a RawTherapee 5.0 user). I just closed darktable few minutes ago, so I guess that made my experience of it pretty fresh. On my system (Ubuntu 17.4), darktable runs nicely. And it's easier to use than RawTherapee. I only encountered some problems cause it to freeze up when loading photos, but I can't figure out the reason (Of course it's not because I'm loading photos). RawTherapee is bit harder / complicate to use, but once you used to it, they're almost the same (Not totally, like darktable's Vibrance adjustment is far weaker than RawTherapee's etc). One problem with RawTherapee for me is, it sometime can't correctly recognize the color profile of my camera, so the initial preview look over exposed and require manual adjustment. I didn't get same problem with darktable.
stevekemp 9y ago
Yup that matches my recollection too. I use RawTherapee for all my RAW-processing, and I find it both easy to use, and very flexible. One of the reasons I use RT is because it doesn't try to take ownership of my images. I have a hierachy of images that looks something like this: Images/ Images/2017 Images/2017/10 Images/2017/10/01-jody/ Images/2017/10/01-jody/RAW Images/2017/10/01-jody/JPG Images/2017/10/01-jody/JPG/thumbs Images/2017/10/01-jody/Public/ I like that I can file things my own way, and use the tool just to export from .CR2 -> .JPG.
- brudgers 9y ago
  In Darktable, applying styles to the light table `Export` module is a way of sending 'prints' to a standard subdirectory structure. Bash scripts calling darktable-cli might be another possibility for automating a similar process at higher volumes. Having used both Dartable and Rawtherapee, part of the reason I primarily use Darktable is that it seems to better facilitate working through a few hundred images in a few hours...a use case that not everyone has and that some people might reasonably not ever wish to have but one that I deal with based on the type of subjects I sometimes shoot.
  - stevekemp 9y ago
    A 1-2 hour shoot for me with a model might easily result in 500+ images. But I've found with the rating system of rawtherapee it is easy to process such a large number of images efficiently.

unicornporn 9y ago

The reason I don't (and wouldn't) use RawTherapee is that it does not have any selection tools that allows you to edit parts of the image (beyond gradients). What this means is that you set your global contrast and export the file for further dodging/burning and edits in Photoshop, Gimp or some other software. If you increased the contrast of the image in RawTherapee you will have darkened the shadows. So, when you open the exported bitmap in Photoshop, dodging an eye or some other part in will give you a lot more noise and a lot less headroom compared to doing this work on the undemosaiced data. This is a big design fail and an actual problem if you go beyond the most basic raw conversion.

ygra 9y ago
Lightroom defaults to 16-bpc color when switching to Photoshop or other external programs. Wouldn't that solve the noise issue in your case?
- unicornporn 9y ago
  I was not complaining about Lightroom. It has excellent selection tools and brushes. My criticism applies to RawTherapee.
  - ygra 9y ago
    My point was that you could probably simply export as 16-bpc TIFF and I'd be surprised if RawTherapee didn't support that (cursory search through the docs suggests that it can do so).

std_throwaway 9y ago

I've tried both a for some time and stuck with Darktable. * RawTherapee runs on Windows since years. * Darktable just started the Windows port. * RawTherapee seems to provide more functions. * Darktable seems to be better integrated and polished. * RawTherapee was a bit easier to get into. * Darktable has a better workflow if you're into it. * Darktable also seems to be more "stable" in the sense that not everything changes meaning all the time and most things work like expected. In the end, the workflow was the deciding factor for me. It just felt way better and more efficient. Technologically they are different. RawTherapee should have more potential once they manage to clean up the user interface.

sciv 9y ago

Last I checked (a couple of months ago), DT had a WAY better workflow, and it's better integrated (as mentioned in another comment here). Also as I've seen mentioned in other comments, it lacks local adjustment tools and/or anything remotely equivalent to the masks system in DT. It does have some interesting tools, but comparing DT to RT feels like comparing Ps to GIMP... there's a fundamental capability in the workflow that you'll feel missing if coming from DT to RT.

teilo 9y ago

RawTherapee is terrible with DNG files. I have a lot of Olympus E-M1 images that I had Lightroom convert to DNG. DarkTable handles these files just fine. They are unusable in RawTherapee. The issue is that RawTherapee can only handle Linear DNGs. Linear DNGs are essentially TIFF files where the underlying sensor data has been de-mosaiced and normalized. A Linear DNG retains the higher color depth of the sensor, but it's not RAW. DarkTable has no such limitation. It properly recognizes the underlying CFA scheme (which are different for different sensors), and processes them properly.