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I've recently been looking at the usage of the word fascism. Italy was fascist. Fascism is extreme authoritarian nationalism. They didn't really do much about

by KGIII 9y ago

I've recently been looking at the usage of the word fascism. Italy was fascist. Fascism is extreme authoritarian nationalism. They didn't really do much about Jews until after the Nazis moved in. They were primarily concerned with their nation. White Nationalists, what people are calling Nazis, is actually concerned with wanting a white nation. They prioritize race, not the nation itself. I'm thinking fascism isn't correctly used to describe them.

Clubber 9y ago
Here's what dictionary.com defines it as: (fascism) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fascism http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fascism I don't know that much about them, but I think White Nationalists in the US want the nationalism and racism without the authoritarianism, but I could be wrong. I honestly don't think they've given it that much thought. The closest I believe any of those type groups have gotten to actual Nazis is when David Duke ran for office. Their primary objective seems to be "spreading the word." That's one of the reasons I don't like comparing them to Nazis. The Nazis were much more organized, intelligent and dangerous.
- KGIII 9y ago
  Yeah, I was going with this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism And using the actual Fascists (namely Italy and Spain) to determine what fascism means. See the very first sentence in the link where they define it. It's not that these are good people, I just think there should be a better word to describe them. Perhaps just 'Nazi' is adequate? White Nationalist works too.
  - Mithaldu 9y ago
    You guys are getting lost too much in domain-specific terms. At its core fascism is one thing: The belief that a nation is like a living being and must do everything to protect itself as it is at that moment and try to grow, and that might makes right on a national scale. It's the belief that Darwinian principles of the survival of the fittest do not only apply to creatues, but also to nations and that this is also how the world should be. Everything else is just the expression and logical conclusion of this belief. And the nazis currently in germany specifically 100% subscribe to this. They do not want the national culture to be changed, they do not think other nations should be helped, etc. etc. Even white supremacy is just a side effect of that. It comes from wanting the demography of one's country to remain unchanged.
    - Clubber 9y ago
      >The belief that a nation is like a living being and must do everything to protect itself as it is at that moment and try to grow, and that might makes right on a national scale. It's the belief that Darwinian principles of the survival of the fittest do not only apply to creatues, but also to nations and that this is also how the world should be. I don't mean to sound snarky, but this sounds an awful lot like US foreign policy since the start of the Cold War.
      - Mithaldu 9y ago
        It's a good thing the USA doesn't have many direct neighbors.

by KGIII 9y ago

Clubber 9y ago

Here's what dictionary.com defines it as: (fascism) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fascism http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fascism I don't know that much about them, but I think White Nationalists in the US want the nationalism and racism without the authoritarianism, but I could be wrong. I honestly don't think they've given it that much thought. The closest I believe any of those type groups have gotten to actual Nazis is when David Duke ran for office. Their primary objective seems to be "spreading the word." That's one of the reasons I don't like comparing them to Nazis. The Nazis were much more organized, intelligent and dangerous.

KGIII 9y ago
Yeah, I was going with this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism And using the actual Fascists (namely Italy and Spain) to determine what fascism means. See the very first sentence in the link where they define it. It's not that these are good people, I just think there should be a better word to describe them. Perhaps just 'Nazi' is adequate? White Nationalist works too.
- Mithaldu 9y ago
  You guys are getting lost too much in domain-specific terms. At its core fascism is one thing: The belief that a nation is like a living being and must do everything to protect itself as it is at that moment and try to grow, and that might makes right on a national scale. It's the belief that Darwinian principles of the survival of the fittest do not only apply to creatues, but also to nations and that this is also how the world should be. Everything else is just the expression and logical conclusion of this belief. And the nazis currently in germany specifically 100% subscribe to this. They do not want the national culture to be changed, they do not think other nations should be helped, etc. etc. Even white supremacy is just a side effect of that. It comes from wanting the demography of one's country to remain unchanged.
  - Clubber 9y ago
    >The belief that a nation is like a living being and must do everything to protect itself as it is at that moment and try to grow, and that might makes right on a national scale. It's the belief that Darwinian principles of the survival of the fittest do not only apply to creatues, but also to nations and that this is also how the world should be. I don't mean to sound snarky, but this sounds an awful lot like US foreign policy since the start of the Cold War.
    - Mithaldu 9y ago
      It's a good thing the USA doesn't have many direct neighbors.