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Emotional story. I feel for refugees. Its too bad how economic migrants are giving them a bad reputation. Remember watching a documentary about two kids being

by Feniks 9y ago

Emotional story. I feel for refugees. Its too bad how economic migrants are giving them a bad reputation. Remember watching a documentary about two kids being stuck in Greece. Even European streets are not safe for eleven year old boys and girls.

eropple 9y ago
> Its too bad how economic migrants are giving them a bad reputation. Racist propagandists are giving them a "bad reputation". Tacitly reinforcing it helps the racist propagandists. Maybe don't do that.
- Spivak 9y ago
  No, people who are afraid for their own economic circumstances and safety are responsible for that reputation. Pretending that the problem is a few vague high status racist talking heads that have the masses brainwashed is just a scapegoat for the reality that by in large we're nimbys and aren't as charitable as we believe we are. I can sit at my desk and post empathetic tweets that loudly proclaim my support for refugees safe in the knowledge that either way the situation won't affect my life in the slightest. I haven't been tested -- and so I'm reluctant to throw stones at the people who have because I'm can't say whether I would pass myself.
  - eropple 9y ago
    > people who are afraid for their own economic circumstances and safety are responsible for that reputation It's not "economic circumstances and safety" that makes people invent hordes of dark-complected rape gangs out of whole cloth (that would be Pegida, a neo-Nazi group who invented the "Cologne rape gangs" and other similar swill). And the people casting racism as "economic insecurity" are themselves racist propagandists, my dude; it is air cover for bad shit. They do not deserve your buy-in or your charity.
    - saltyseadog 9y ago
      >Invent lol
    - jakobegger 9y ago
      Thanks for saying this so clearly. Anti-Immigration hate has nothing to do with „economic insecurity“. That‘s just something people say because they desperately want to find a somewhat rational reason for xenophobia. But there isn‘t. For some reason, all the people I know that complain about immigrants are actually pretty well off. I think they don‘t have any real problems in life, so they just come up with some imaginary threat. The people who actually suffer from economic hardship don‘t worry about immigrants – they have enough problems of their own to worry about. Not sure if my observations are representative, though.
      - eropple 9y ago
        > For some reason, all the people I know that complain about immigrants are actually pretty well off. I think they don‘t have any real problems in life, so they just come up with some imaginary threat. I can't speak for everywhere, but Donald Trump's supporters in the United States certainly did trend well-off, majority/white, and male. My theory is that it's not immediate problems gripping them--it's that they see other people catching up, and the idea that it's zero-sum has permeated the game.

by Feniks 9y ago

eropple 9y ago

> Its too bad how economic migrants are giving them a bad reputation. Racist propagandists are giving them a "bad reputation". Tacitly reinforcing it helps the racist propagandists. Maybe don't do that.

Spivak 9y ago
No, people who are afraid for their own economic circumstances and safety are responsible for that reputation. Pretending that the problem is a few vague high status racist talking heads that have the masses brainwashed is just a scapegoat for the reality that by in large we're nimbys and aren't as charitable as we believe we are. I can sit at my desk and post empathetic tweets that loudly proclaim my support for refugees safe in the knowledge that either way the situation won't affect my life in the slightest. I haven't been tested -- and so I'm reluctant to throw stones at the people who have because I'm can't say whether I would pass myself.
- eropple 9y ago
  > people who are afraid for their own economic circumstances and safety are responsible for that reputation It's not "economic circumstances and safety" that makes people invent hordes of dark-complected rape gangs out of whole cloth (that would be Pegida, a neo-Nazi group who invented the "Cologne rape gangs" and other similar swill). And the people casting racism as "economic insecurity" are themselves racist propagandists, my dude; it is air cover for bad shit. They do not deserve your buy-in or your charity.
  - saltyseadog 9y ago
    >Invent lol
  - jakobegger 9y ago
    Thanks for saying this so clearly. Anti-Immigration hate has nothing to do with „economic insecurity“. That‘s just something people say because they desperately want to find a somewhat rational reason for xenophobia. But there isn‘t. For some reason, all the people I know that complain about immigrants are actually pretty well off. I think they don‘t have any real problems in life, so they just come up with some imaginary threat. The people who actually suffer from economic hardship don‘t worry about immigrants – they have enough problems of their own to worry about. Not sure if my observations are representative, though.
    - eropple 9y ago
      > For some reason, all the people I know that complain about immigrants are actually pretty well off. I think they don‘t have any real problems in life, so they just come up with some imaginary threat. I can't speak for everywhere, but Donald Trump's supporters in the United States certainly did trend well-off, majority/white, and male. My theory is that it's not immediate problems gripping them--it's that they see other people catching up, and the idea that it's zero-sum has permeated the game.