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While I personally accept cloudflare as a source, some are concerned that there are no screenshots of DS saying this to be found anywhere, on cloud flares site

While I personally accept cloudflare as a source, some are concerned that there are no screenshots of DS saying this to be found anywhere, on cloud flares site included.

ufmace 9y ago
I don't. This looks super shady. It's clearly in CF's interest to justify their decision. I'd even say they have a very powerful need to do so, given that they just took an unprecedented action against them in order to appease a mob, and now need to convince all of the rest of their customers that they won't do the same to them if they ever fall afoul of the internet hate mob. We have 1. Cloudfare has a powerful need to justify their actions, 2. The person they're making these claims against has drastically reduced ability to provide his side of the story, thanks to Cloudfare's actions, 3. They already did one thing that most people believed they would never do, in arbitrarily terminating services to a site they didn't like, are we really going to make the claim that they would absolutely never twist somebody's words to serve their own purposes? I don't think they straight made something up, but I can certainly believe that they took a quote out of context, interpreted something creatively, or misrepresented a post on their forum as an official statement by the site owner. In what other situation with such a powerful conflict of interests would we take the word of somebody in Cloudfare's position at face value?
- rabite 9y ago
  As Daily Stormer's CTO I can personally attest that your concerns are very well founded.
- alsetmusic 9y ago
  I don’t know what was / wasn’t said. That said, I find this portion of your argument particularly unlikely: > 2. The person they're making these claims against has drastically reduced ability to provide his side of the story, thanks to Cloudfare's actions… Given the clickbait / pageview drive of modern “news” online, I think that someone at the middle of a hotly debated issue such as this could find many outlets happy to quote them on a perceived scandal. It has the potential to the flames and generates yet more controversy.

While I personally accept cloudflare as a source, some are concerned that there are no screenshots of DS saying this to be found anywhere, on cloud flares site included.

ufmace 9y ago

I don't. This looks super shady. It's clearly in CF's interest to justify their decision. I'd even say they have a very powerful need to do so, given that they just took an unprecedented action against them in order to appease a mob, and now need to convince all of the rest of their customers that they won't do the same to them if they ever fall afoul of the internet hate mob. We have 1. Cloudfare has a powerful need to justify their actions, 2. The person they're making these claims against has drastically reduced ability to provide his side of the story, thanks to Cloudfare's actions, 3. They already did one thing that most people believed they would never do, in arbitrarily terminating services to a site they didn't like, are we really going to make the claim that they would absolutely never twist somebody's words to serve their own purposes? I don't think they straight made something up, but I can certainly believe that they took a quote out of context, interpreted something creatively, or misrepresented a post on their forum as an official statement by the site owner. In what other situation with such a powerful conflict of interests would we take the word of somebody in Cloudfare's position at face value?

rabite 9y ago
As Daily Stormer's CTO I can personally attest that your concerns are very well founded.
alsetmusic 9y ago
I don’t know what was / wasn’t said. That said, I find this portion of your argument particularly unlikely: > 2. The person they're making these claims against has drastically reduced ability to provide his side of the story, thanks to Cloudfare's actions… Given the clickbait / pageview drive of modern “news” online, I think that someone at the middle of a hotly debated issue such as this could find many outlets happy to quote them on a perceived scandal. It has the potential to the flames and generates yet more controversy.