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My only DMT experience lasted about 15 minutes, and that was plenty.

by pstuart 9y ago

nicodjimenez 9y ago
Yes, SWIM took DMT and loved it but finds the idea of Ayahuasca very frightening indeed.
- hysterix 9y ago
  Only idiots refer to themselves as "SWIM". Go back to dmt-nexus. You're not throwing off the DEA or any other law enforcement agency, you just come off as a moron.
- cc81 9y ago
  It is probably pointless to use "SWIM"
  - jasonm23 9y ago
    I expect it's not a written confession if someone who isn't me committed a crime. Although IANAL.
Fnoord 9y ago
I assume Ayahuasca refers to MAOI + DMT instead of merely DMT, but I could be wrong. Although which plants would be used as source? Maybe we should try to avoid the term Ayahuasca altogether; it is vague.
- refurb 9y ago
  You are correct! DMT isn't really effective orally without an MAO inhibitor.
- shroomy-throw 9y ago
  Ayahuasca refers specifically to the shaman brew made with the raw ingredients. It does contain MAOI + DMT, but there's also some history of some shamans making ayahuasca who were missing the DMT. If you're taking DMT by itself, I believe it needs to be smoked/vaporized. And then you get the 15-minute trip. 6-8 hours of a DMT trip sounds honestly horrifying. If I was to do to it, I also wouldn't try to make an "authentic" jungle brew. I would fast, and then take MAOI and DMT in fairly pure forms. Having to drink a galloon of shaman brew sounds like a good way to guarantee gastro-intestinal distress. On a similar note, I despise eating psychedelic mushrooms--- there's nothing worse than tripping and feeling like you need to poop. Cut 'em up (with a knife or with a coffee grinder), wrap them in cheesecloth, throw in some bags of lemon tea, and you've got yourself a mushroom tea, that also hits harder/faster/shorter.
- LaikaF 9y ago
  Ayahuasca referrers to the uses of plants. Normally done by Shamans. pharmahuasca is DMT + MAOI inhibitor The experience is very different. Ayahuasca has a lot of bad side effects such as vomiting, sea legs, and diarrhea
  - Fnoord 9y ago
    Cheers, had not heard of pharmahuasca before. > Ayahuasca has a lot of bad side effects such as vomiting, sea legs, and diarrhea Those are side effects which can occur; not side effects which will occur. Ie. possible side effects. Its anecdotal and merely one experience as well, but I had no problem with diarrhea or vomiting. Sea legs, yes, which I knew beforehand. Hence I made sure I was able to lie down (which I did).
cyberpunk0 9y ago
Just dipped your toes in the psychonaut pool then? :P
- nicodjimenez 9y ago
  DMT is a little more than just dipping your toes...
  - bebop22 9y ago
    Vaporized DMT is far more intense than consuming it orally with an MAOI.
    - pstuart 9y ago
      Indeed. Persian elves weaving the tapestry of the universe, with the physical world nowhere in sight.
      - Fnoord 9y ago
        As a young adult in beginning of my 20s I've experimented with a plethora of other drugs as well, mostly psychedelics which back then were legally available, at least where I'm from (Ayahuasca is still legal here [1]). Its been a good 10 years ago but during my experience with DMT + MAOI (self prepared, legally bought from a company called Azarius). From what I remember, I merely saw dragons in all kind of colours whilst lying down. I couldn't see through it just like you described. Auditory perception was vastly altered as well, akin to psilocybin, but with psilo I often lacked the visual aspect of 'tripping'. The most anxious part of my consumption was the preparation because of the dangers associated with the MAOI. I carefully avoided everything except one cup of espresso a few hours before I started intake. I also didn't quit smoking (back then I was an average smoker). I had no hunger during my usage, though I don't remember the effect on my smoking habits. I wrote various trip reports for private usage back then and still have them, but either I didn't do it with the Ayahuasca one or it got lost. In hindsight it wasn't very mature. I did extensive research on all of the drugs (A. muscaria was particularly fascinating) but did not always have a babysitter. I had a mild psychosis from cannabis at one point, and a few years later I was diagnosed with GAD and AvPD. Recently, this got reverted to a primary diagnosis of ASD (autism) instead. I also have schizophrenia in my family, though distant, and have memory problems. ASD has severe effects on sensitivity, thus could potentially be dangerous with psychedelics. Perhaps also worth noting that years after I quit recreative drugs usage I had one severe psychosis, triggered by stress. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Daime#Ayahuasca https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Daime#Ayahuasca

My only DMT experience lasted about 15 minutes, and that was plenty.

nicodjimenez 9y ago

Yes, SWIM took DMT and loved it but finds the idea of Ayahuasca very frightening indeed.

hysterix 9y ago
Only idiots refer to themselves as "SWIM". Go back to dmt-nexus. You're not throwing off the DEA or any other law enforcement agency, you just come off as a moron.
cc81 9y ago
It is probably pointless to use "SWIM"
- jasonm23 9y ago
  I expect it's not a written confession if someone who isn't me committed a crime. Although IANAL.

Fnoord 9y ago

I assume Ayahuasca refers to MAOI + DMT instead of merely DMT, but I could be wrong. Although which plants would be used as source? Maybe we should try to avoid the term Ayahuasca altogether; it is vague.

refurb 9y ago
You are correct! DMT isn't really effective orally without an MAO inhibitor.
shroomy-throw 9y ago
Ayahuasca refers specifically to the shaman brew made with the raw ingredients. It does contain MAOI + DMT, but there's also some history of some shamans making ayahuasca who were missing the DMT. If you're taking DMT by itself, I believe it needs to be smoked/vaporized. And then you get the 15-minute trip. 6-8 hours of a DMT trip sounds honestly horrifying. If I was to do to it, I also wouldn't try to make an "authentic" jungle brew. I would fast, and then take MAOI and DMT in fairly pure forms. Having to drink a galloon of shaman brew sounds like a good way to guarantee gastro-intestinal distress. On a similar note, I despise eating psychedelic mushrooms--- there's nothing worse than tripping and feeling like you need to poop. Cut 'em up (with a knife or with a coffee grinder), wrap them in cheesecloth, throw in some bags of lemon tea, and you've got yourself a mushroom tea, that also hits harder/faster/shorter.
LaikaF 9y ago
Ayahuasca referrers to the uses of plants. Normally done by Shamans. pharmahuasca is DMT + MAOI inhibitor The experience is very different. Ayahuasca has a lot of bad side effects such as vomiting, sea legs, and diarrhea
- Fnoord 9y ago
  Cheers, had not heard of pharmahuasca before. > Ayahuasca has a lot of bad side effects such as vomiting, sea legs, and diarrhea Those are side effects which can occur; not side effects which will occur. Ie. possible side effects. Its anecdotal and merely one experience as well, but I had no problem with diarrhea or vomiting. Sea legs, yes, which I knew beforehand. Hence I made sure I was able to lie down (which I did).

cyberpunk0 9y ago

Just dipped your toes in the psychonaut pool then? :P

nicodjimenez 9y ago
DMT is a little more than just dipping your toes...
- bebop22 9y ago
  Vaporized DMT is far more intense than consuming it orally with an MAOI.
  - pstuart 9y ago
    Indeed. Persian elves weaving the tapestry of the universe, with the physical world nowhere in sight.
    - Fnoord 9y ago
      As a young adult in beginning of my 20s I've experimented with a plethora of other drugs as well, mostly psychedelics which back then were legally available, at least where I'm from (Ayahuasca is still legal here [1]). Its been a good 10 years ago but during my experience with DMT + MAOI (self prepared, legally bought from a company called Azarius). From what I remember, I merely saw dragons in all kind of colours whilst lying down. I couldn't see through it just like you described. Auditory perception was vastly altered as well, akin to psilocybin, but with psilo I often lacked the visual aspect of 'tripping'. The most anxious part of my consumption was the preparation because of the dangers associated with the MAOI. I carefully avoided everything except one cup of espresso a few hours before I started intake. I also didn't quit smoking (back then I was an average smoker). I had no hunger during my usage, though I don't remember the effect on my smoking habits. I wrote various trip reports for private usage back then and still have them, but either I didn't do it with the Ayahuasca one or it got lost. In hindsight it wasn't very mature. I did extensive research on all of the drugs (A. muscaria was particularly fascinating) but did not always have a babysitter. I had a mild psychosis from cannabis at one point, and a few years later I was diagnosed with GAD and AvPD. Recently, this got reverted to a primary diagnosis of ASD (autism) instead. I also have schizophrenia in my family, though distant, and have memory problems. ASD has severe effects on sensitivity, thus could potentially be dangerous with psychedelics. Perhaps also worth noting that years after I quit recreative drugs usage I had one severe psychosis, triggered by stress. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Daime#Ayahuasca https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Daime#Ayahuasca