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I appreciate the effort and think it's a good idea in that it tries to help people remember that this wasn't a barren empty land before European settlers arrive

I appreciate the effort and think it's a good idea in that it tries to help people remember that this wasn't a barren empty land before European settlers arrived. That said, I think the NPR article overstates the quality of the map. I can't speak with any authority about any Native American tribes outside the upper Great Lakes, but the map understates the extent of both the Odawa and Potawatomi tribes, and fails to recognize the relationship among those tribes by, e.g., failing to list the Odawa name for the Odawa (Nishnaabeg), which would clearly mark them as closely related ethnolinguistically to the Ojibwe.

ChuckMcM 9y ago
If you look at the PDF there is an email address for sending updates. I would encourage you to send that information on. That said, self taught cartography is like self taught coding (or anything else for that matter), it is an ongoing learning process.
- hackbinary 9y ago
  I'm sorry, but self taught or otherwise, learning is always an 'ongoing process.' Learning is never complete, cartography, coding, or anything else.
  - hackbinary 9y ago
    Uhm, why the downvote? Just because someone took a formal course in something does not give them the right to say that I have nothing further to learn in a subject.
    - quadrangle 9y ago
      Probably (not the downvoter myself), you veered off too tangentially. It's not that you are wrong, it's that you wrote a whole comment about a particular way that another commenter bothered to emphasize the idea of updating the map (the real point, as opposed to the didactic status of the cartographer)
snambi 9y ago
it is great work. true, improvement is always possible.
joveian 9y ago
For that matter, the Ojibwe didn't reach northern Minnesota until after European contact and live accross a large area of land. They (and related nations) had a long westward migration that started prior to European contact and continued until after the founding of the US. Before that the Dakota were in northern Minnesota (likely after an earlier westward migration). There was a huge amount of diversity prior to European contact so this kind of project is quite difficult. There are some good histories here (most are fairly long, only covers a relatively small number of nations): http://www.tolatsga.org/Compacts.html http://www.tolatsga.org/Compacts.html Edit: It looks like there is an updated map with some corrections now available (still has some issues in the great lakes region): http://www.tribalnationsmaps.com/store/c2/Tribal_Nations.html http://www.tribalnationsmaps.com/store/c2/Tribal_Nations.htm...

ChuckMcM 9y ago

If you look at the PDF there is an email address for sending updates. I would encourage you to send that information on. That said, self taught cartography is like self taught coding (or anything else for that matter), it is an ongoing learning process.

hackbinary 9y ago
I'm sorry, but self taught or otherwise, learning is always an 'ongoing process.' Learning is never complete, cartography, coding, or anything else.
- hackbinary 9y ago
  Uhm, why the downvote? Just because someone took a formal course in something does not give them the right to say that I have nothing further to learn in a subject.
  - quadrangle 9y ago
    Probably (not the downvoter myself), you veered off too tangentially. It's not that you are wrong, it's that you wrote a whole comment about a particular way that another commenter bothered to emphasize the idea of updating the map (the real point, as opposed to the didactic status of the cartographer)

snambi 9y ago

it is great work. true, improvement is always possible.

joveian 9y ago

For that matter, the Ojibwe didn't reach northern Minnesota until after European contact and live accross a large area of land. They (and related nations) had a long westward migration that started prior to European contact and continued until after the founding of the US. Before that the Dakota were in northern Minnesota (likely after an earlier westward migration). There was a huge amount of diversity prior to European contact so this kind of project is quite difficult. There are some good histories here (most are fairly long, only covers a relatively small number of nations): http://www.tolatsga.org/Compacts.html http://www.tolatsga.org/Compacts.html Edit: It looks like there is an updated map with some corrections now available (still has some issues in the great lakes region): http://www.tribalnationsmaps.com/store/c2/Tribal_Nations.html http://www.tribalnationsmaps.com/store/c2/Tribal_Nations.htm...