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> Europe, as we know it, is a set of "large" nation-states that made enormous contributions to humankind. These contributions wouldn't have been possible if Eur

> Europe, as we know it, is a set of "large" nation-states that made enormous contributions to humankind. These contributions wouldn't have been possible if Europe was a number of small fragmented states with their own languages and customs. Even if that were true - and I don't see any evidence from you - how does it back up your claim that there wouldn't be much left of Europe if Europeans had more control over their own local affairs? > How do you equal shooting rubber bullets to "potential killing of civilians"? Because I know what rubber bullets are, and what they can do. Whereas you appear to have no idea.

dgut 9y ago
> Even if that were true - and I don't see any evidence from you. History is not your strong side then, I guess. > Because I know what rubber bullets are, and what they can do. Whereas you appear to have no idea. Rubber bullets are nonlethal and not meant to cause serious injuries or death unless of course misused at very close range. Participating in an illegal uprising isn't going to be consequence-free.
- johnchristopher 9y ago
  Illegal uprising ? Come on, it's not like it's about half a dozen colonels ordering troops to seize the parliament. It's ten of thousands civilians putting papers in ballots.
  - dgut 9y ago
    With very likely negative consequences. The vote is unconstitutional and intended to disturb the Spanish state. Puigdemonte is a populist playing with the people of Catalonia, as he is well-aware of the impossibility of this project, but hey it put him in charge. Remember also he is leading a minority government. I think a lot of people here ignore the seriousness of the matter and have very naive views on separatists. That said, the unemployed youth of Catalonia (37%) probably find the whole thing very attractive.
  - Tech-Noir 9y ago
    His comments are so flawed and extreme I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's merely trolling.

dgut 9y ago

> Even if that were true - and I don't see any evidence from you. History is not your strong side then, I guess. > Because I know what rubber bullets are, and what they can do. Whereas you appear to have no idea. Rubber bullets are nonlethal and not meant to cause serious injuries or death unless of course misused at very close range. Participating in an illegal uprising isn't going to be consequence-free.

johnchristopher 9y ago
Illegal uprising ? Come on, it's not like it's about half a dozen colonels ordering troops to seize the parliament. It's ten of thousands civilians putting papers in ballots.
- dgut 9y ago
  With very likely negative consequences. The vote is unconstitutional and intended to disturb the Spanish state. Puigdemonte is a populist playing with the people of Catalonia, as he is well-aware of the impossibility of this project, but hey it put him in charge. Remember also he is leading a minority government. I think a lot of people here ignore the seriousness of the matter and have very naive views on separatists. That said, the unemployed youth of Catalonia (37%) probably find the whole thing very attractive.
- Tech-Noir 9y ago
  His comments are so flawed and extreme I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's merely trolling.