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I wonder how far before contact because some of the placements don't jive with what I was taught as a youth. For the current map of Federally recognized tribes

I wonder how far before contact because some of the placements don't jive with what I was taught as a youth. For the current map of Federally recognized tribes in the US: https://www.nps.gov/nagpra/DOCUMENTS/ResMAP.HTM https://www.nps.gov/nagpra/DOCUMENTS/ResMAP.HTM or https://www.blm.gov/cadastral/biamaps/biaoffices.htm https://www.blm.gov/cadastral/biamaps/biaoffices.htm

ringaroundthetx 9y ago
There are many tribes that are not federally recognized for many arbitrary reasons. Many states recognize tribes that the federal government doesn't recognize. Many states don't recognize tribes that are trying to get the state to recognize them. My family's tribe only got state recognition less than 15 years ago. This delay was mostly from being broken up and mixed with Africans and the master's families during slavery. But enough genealogy was possible with updated tools to show a cohesive unit and re-establish the tribe for official purposes. I know of other tribes in the same quandary.
- protomyth 9y ago
  And that's why I stated the the maps were of the "Federally recognized". California has some state-only recognized tribes, and it is a hard process to get state or federal recognition, but it still happens. There is a reason "enrolled member" shows up in a lot places.
  - ringaroundthetx 9y ago
    It wasn't clear you understood that, you could have easily been using federally recognized as the infallible source to see tribal maps, and it also isn't clear that anybody else would understand that
    - protomyth 9y ago
      I'm a bit familiar with the subject since I am typing this from one of those places on the map. I'm also a bit familiar with the unrecognized while watching a particular tribe of Chippewa trying to get their recognition. Land ownership will be a rather large issue with these fights.
_Codemonkeyism 9y ago
I always found it surprising that the US calls regions where people live the same as regions where protected animals live (reservations). Isn't that offending to anyone? I would be deeply offended.
- kodablah 9y ago
  Equally deeply offended that your saved area at a restaurant is also named after where protected animals live? While it doesn't apply to me, I would not be deeply offended, but I also don't try to find reasons to be offended.
- protomyth 9y ago
  Well, reservation is actually what the US Military called their military outposts. So, its a pretty unoffensive term and I have never heard anyone on the reservation call it such. Although the current term that seems to be going around is "Nation". I would guess either from the first nations in Canada or the Navajo. Heck, the phrase "off the reservation" is often used in spy movies. Speaking of Canada. They call their's "reserves" which almost got me into a fight in Canada when someone asked the Dakota I was traveling with "what reserve are you from?". He took it, uhm, poorly. It took some fast talking to calm him down. He did not come away with a good impression of Canada although winning at the track later in the day put a positive note on our travels.
- thecardcheat 9y ago
  Beyond the obvious etymology that others have stated, the terms "sanctuary", "refuge", and "preserve" are used far more by the US to represent the idea you describe for animals, so the equivalence in terminology doesn't seem well founded at all.
- aaron-lebo 9y ago
  They're both derived from "reserve", which is just saying that this land is reserved for these people.
  - grzm 9y ago

ringaroundthetx 9y ago

There are many tribes that are not federally recognized for many arbitrary reasons. Many states recognize tribes that the federal government doesn't recognize. Many states don't recognize tribes that are trying to get the state to recognize them. My family's tribe only got state recognition less than 15 years ago. This delay was mostly from being broken up and mixed with Africans and the master's families during slavery. But enough genealogy was possible with updated tools to show a cohesive unit and re-establish the tribe for official purposes. I know of other tribes in the same quandary.

protomyth 9y ago
And that's why I stated the the maps were of the "Federally recognized". California has some state-only recognized tribes, and it is a hard process to get state or federal recognition, but it still happens. There is a reason "enrolled member" shows up in a lot places.
- ringaroundthetx 9y ago
  It wasn't clear you understood that, you could have easily been using federally recognized as the infallible source to see tribal maps, and it also isn't clear that anybody else would understand that
  - protomyth 9y ago
    I'm a bit familiar with the subject since I am typing this from one of those places on the map. I'm also a bit familiar with the unrecognized while watching a particular tribe of Chippewa trying to get their recognition. Land ownership will be a rather large issue with these fights.

_Codemonkeyism 9y ago

I always found it surprising that the US calls regions where people live the same as regions where protected animals live (reservations). Isn't that offending to anyone? I would be deeply offended.

kodablah 9y ago
Equally deeply offended that your saved area at a restaurant is also named after where protected animals live? While it doesn't apply to me, I would not be deeply offended, but I also don't try to find reasons to be offended.
protomyth 9y ago
Well, reservation is actually what the US Military called their military outposts. So, its a pretty unoffensive term and I have never heard anyone on the reservation call it such. Although the current term that seems to be going around is "Nation". I would guess either from the first nations in Canada or the Navajo. Heck, the phrase "off the reservation" is often used in spy movies. Speaking of Canada. They call their's "reserves" which almost got me into a fight in Canada when someone asked the Dakota I was traveling with "what reserve are you from?". He took it, uhm, poorly. It took some fast talking to calm him down. He did not come away with a good impression of Canada although winning at the track later in the day put a positive note on our travels.
thecardcheat 9y ago
Beyond the obvious etymology that others have stated, the terms "sanctuary", "refuge", and "preserve" are used far more by the US to represent the idea you describe for animals, so the equivalence in terminology doesn't seem well founded at all.
aaron-lebo 9y ago
They're both derived from "reserve", which is just saying that this land is reserved for these people.
- grzm 9y ago