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>They are using rubber bullets to disperse the crowds, that's not exactly a crime against humanity as some seem to suggest here. Seriously?! They're not nerf g

>They are using rubber bullets to disperse the crowds, that's not exactly a crime against humanity as some seem to suggest here. Seriously?! They're not nerf guns, the mossos were banned from using them a couple of years ago, with good reason! I am a fellow Scandinavian who lived in Barcelona and though I am not at all sure that I think independence is a good idea, I think the catalans should be the ones to decide that and the Spanish reaction to the vote is absolutely outrageous to me. They could have declared it illegal, and the outcome invalid. This treatment of peaceful protesters is ridiculous.

dgut 9y ago
It's proportional. What are they supposed to use, water balloons? The naive support for Catalonian nationalists on this site is not surprising, though.
- gjjrfcbugxbhf 9y ago
  Words and votes - that is what we use in the UK to handle the issue of Scottish independence. It has proved much better than guns (c/f Scotland and the troubles in Northern Ireland). The Spanish police have gone in using force to prevent a democractic process.
  - dgut 9y ago
    Afaik the Catalonian separatist movement is a lot larger than the Scottish one, fueled by the last financial crisis. I strongly doubt the UK can claim moral superiority above Spain.
    - gjjrfcbugxbhf 9y ago
      The Scottish and Catalan separatist movements were actually very similar until yesterday. Both have so far choosen the democratic route to freedom. In both nations the support for independence was under 50% but the support for a referendum to decide the issue was very high. The fact that the Spanish state used illegal force (some of the police used had no legal basis to enter Catalonia and the use of rubber bullets by police is not allowed within Catalonia) to break up a democractic vote will presumably cause the two movements to diverge now. Btw no one is claiming moral superiority - merely experience. The UK has a long history of suppressing independence movements by force and this failing. With Scotland they finally tried another approach and it seems to work better so far..

dgut 9y ago

It's proportional. What are they supposed to use, water balloons? The naive support for Catalonian nationalists on this site is not surprising, though.

gjjrfcbugxbhf 9y ago
Words and votes - that is what we use in the UK to handle the issue of Scottish independence. It has proved much better than guns (c/f Scotland and the troubles in Northern Ireland). The Spanish police have gone in using force to prevent a democractic process.
- dgut 9y ago
  Afaik the Catalonian separatist movement is a lot larger than the Scottish one, fueled by the last financial crisis. I strongly doubt the UK can claim moral superiority above Spain.
  - gjjrfcbugxbhf 9y ago
    The Scottish and Catalan separatist movements were actually very similar until yesterday. Both have so far choosen the democratic route to freedom. In both nations the support for independence was under 50% but the support for a referendum to decide the issue was very high. The fact that the Spanish state used illegal force (some of the police used had no legal basis to enter Catalonia and the use of rubber bullets by police is not allowed within Catalonia) to break up a democractic vote will presumably cause the two movements to diverge now. Btw no one is claiming moral superiority - merely experience. The UK has a long history of suppressing independence movements by force and this failing. With Scotland they finally tried another approach and it seems to work better so far..