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The people of the democratic government democratically voted for the part of the Spanish Constitution that bars this kind of unilateral declaration of independe

The people of the democratic government democratically voted for the part of the Spanish Constitution that bars this kind of unilateral declaration of independence. States in spain are incapable of declaring independence from the national government. This was a democratic process. A democratic process inside one state, just to get that state to say it is separate, doesn't change that. So the parent's question still standards. If the referendum is illegal, why does the national government bother at all? It can ignore the referendum.

Aaargh20318 9y ago
> The people of the democratic government democratically voted for the part of the Spanish Constitution that bars this kind of unilateral declaration of independence. Are you sure the same people who voted for that constitution are the ones doing the protesting ? I'm not sure about Spain, but I know for a fact that I didn't vote for the constitution of my country, in fact it was written about 160 years before I was even born.
- ringaroundthetx 9y ago
  From what I recall, the thing making this referendum illegal something from the 1970s.... Not sure if that changes your opinion and it also doesn't answer the question of why the national government is bothering anyway
- mcguire 9y ago
  Are you arguing that you are not bound by any laws enacted before you could vote?
  - Aaargh20318 9y ago
    No, I'm arguing that I should have a choice wether to be a member of a society and as a result get all the benefits thereof and be subject to that society's laws, or not. It's a package deal. I either join the club, benefit from being a member, and have to play by the clubs rules or I don't.
Kathee_HDS 9y ago
The constitution was voted soon after the dictatorship ended. Times have changed greatly, and there have been several calls to re-write it and adapt it to modern times. However, the Spanish Government has always treated the constitution as a sacred text that can't be changed. BUT in the last few years, those who opposed changing the constitution democratically, used their absolute majority to enforce changes that were beneficial to the electrical, telephone and other services lobbies (which used to be public until they privatised them), and by extension, themselves. There's plenty of information about how high end politicians end up as those lobbies consultants after retiring from politics, a term that's been dubbed "puerta giratoria" or revolving door policy. And that hypocrisy is what brought this.

Aaargh20318 9y ago

> The people of the democratic government democratically voted for the part of the Spanish Constitution that bars this kind of unilateral declaration of independence. Are you sure the same people who voted for that constitution are the ones doing the protesting ? I'm not sure about Spain, but I know for a fact that I didn't vote for the constitution of my country, in fact it was written about 160 years before I was even born.

ringaroundthetx 9y ago
From what I recall, the thing making this referendum illegal something from the 1970s.... Not sure if that changes your opinion and it also doesn't answer the question of why the national government is bothering anyway
mcguire 9y ago
Are you arguing that you are not bound by any laws enacted before you could vote?
- Aaargh20318 9y ago
  No, I'm arguing that I should have a choice wether to be a member of a society and as a result get all the benefits thereof and be subject to that society's laws, or not. It's a package deal. I either join the club, benefit from being a member, and have to play by the clubs rules or I don't.

Kathee_HDS 9y ago

The constitution was voted soon after the dictatorship ended. Times have changed greatly, and there have been several calls to re-write it and adapt it to modern times. However, the Spanish Government has always treated the constitution as a sacred text that can't be changed. BUT in the last few years, those who opposed changing the constitution democratically, used their absolute majority to enforce changes that were beneficial to the electrical, telephone and other services lobbies (which used to be public until they privatised them), and by extension, themselves. There's plenty of information about how high end politicians end up as those lobbies consultants after retiring from politics, a term that's been dubbed "puerta giratoria" or revolving door policy. And that hypocrisy is what brought this.