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Example of the crackdown on voters. They seem completely nonviolent to me, even in the face of a disproportionate response. https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/st

Example of the crackdown on voters. They seem completely nonviolent to me, even in the face of a disproportionate response. https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/914427797753430017 https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/914427797753430017 https://twitter.com/ZabMustefa/status/914406611375894528 https://twitter.com/ZabMustefa/status/914406611375894528

NaliSauce 9y ago
It seems like even the local firefighters and police stepped in: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/914472762030379012 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/914472762030379012 https://twitter.com/catalannews/status/914453409453023232 https://twitter.com/catalannews/status/914453409453023232 What a violent mess.
- SuddsMcDuff 9y ago
  Watching this it's easy to see a clear path toward civil war. If this continues, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the army step in & impose peace until such time as the situation can be resolved peacefully. I would bet good money that Spanish generals are dusting off old contingency plans as we speak.
fcanela 9y ago
The woman was not injured by police: she had an accident with the stairs going to vote. There are videos with the attack to the police. At the end, there are violent people with the pacifist voters and not professional policemen too. EDIT: Evidence asked, here it is https://youtu.be/wmLTRluQm94 https://youtu.be/wmLTRluQm94 EDIT 2: I was asked for source about the women and people manipulating pictures. Two sources here: https://twitter.com/arb149/status/914401352230621184/video/1 https://twitter.com/arb149/status/914401352230621184/video/1 http://www.larazon.es/espana/difunden-en-twitter-imagenes-falsas-de-agresiones-policiales-MM16381814 http://www.larazon.es/espana/difunden-en-twitter-imagenes-fa...
- gjjrfcbugxbhf 9y ago
  I've seen no evidence of violent people attacking police. Edit: well that is evidence - not a huge surprise that things have now escalated when you have an armed force shutting down an election.
  - fcanela 9y ago
    I am uploading it so you can see it. (Nice downvote before letting me prove my words :) )
    - musage 9y ago
      Video evidence of other protesters being violent, excusing any and all attacks by police? You're only digging yourself deeper and don't even realize it. By the same token, just one attack by a cop on a non-violent person justified all attacks on cops. By the same token, anything any human ever did to anyone you could be rightfully punished for. And where is the evidence the woman fell down the stairs? And how do you think "smileys" come across in the context of what seems like covering for brown shirts?
    - fcanela 9y ago
      I am not excusing neither of the behaviors: both violents and not professional policemen are doing wrong. All your text is based not in what I said, but in yours interpretations of my words I am adding references for the women issue too.
      - musage 9y ago
        Well sorry then for reading your brief comments that way. Since my Spanish sucks I can't blame you. But come on, we see cops doing things like jumping on people. Do their colleagues protest that? Do they go on strike until such actions are brought to court? No? Then they're all not "professional" enough in my eyes. "Unprofessional" also applies to things like saying "hey buddy" to someone at a traffic stop instead of a more formal greeting. Why do you call the violent behavior of protesters violent, but violent and kind of sadistic behavior of police "unprofessional"? And apart from my interpretation, the bit about guilt not being transferable also stands. And it's not a minor point on the side. > both violents and not professional policemen are doing wrong As far as I'm concerned, that's like saying a rape victim is bad at mario cart. Police violence, any abuses of official authority but certainly such egregious ones, play in a completely different ball park. And just like the abuse of authority (and gear) don't justify attacks on cops, attacks on cops don't justify other abuses. Thanks for pointing out that one thing was faked, I wish faking something like that should be punished like committing the act. But I remain in firm opposition to anyone who uses it to excuse anything else. If you want the waters muddled that way, accept guilt for anything anyone ever did. If you don't, don't muddle them. It's a binary choice.

NaliSauce 9y ago

It seems like even the local firefighters and police stepped in: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/914472762030379012 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/914472762030379012 https://twitter.com/catalannews/status/914453409453023232 https://twitter.com/catalannews/status/914453409453023232 What a violent mess.

SuddsMcDuff 9y ago
Watching this it's easy to see a clear path toward civil war. If this continues, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the army step in & impose peace until such time as the situation can be resolved peacefully. I would bet good money that Spanish generals are dusting off old contingency plans as we speak.

fcanela 9y ago

The woman was not injured by police: she had an accident with the stairs going to vote. There are videos with the attack to the police. At the end, there are violent people with the pacifist voters and not professional policemen too. EDIT: Evidence asked, here it is https://youtu.be/wmLTRluQm94 https://youtu.be/wmLTRluQm94 EDIT 2: I was asked for source about the women and people manipulating pictures. Two sources here: https://twitter.com/arb149/status/914401352230621184/video/1 https://twitter.com/arb149/status/914401352230621184/video/1 http://www.larazon.es/espana/difunden-en-twitter-imagenes-falsas-de-agresiones-policiales-MM16381814 http://www.larazon.es/espana/difunden-en-twitter-imagenes-fa...

gjjrfcbugxbhf 9y ago
I've seen no evidence of violent people attacking police. Edit: well that is evidence - not a huge surprise that things have now escalated when you have an armed force shutting down an election.
- fcanela 9y ago
  I am uploading it so you can see it. (Nice downvote before letting me prove my words :) )
  - musage 9y ago
    Video evidence of other protesters being violent, excusing any and all attacks by police? You're only digging yourself deeper and don't even realize it. By the same token, just one attack by a cop on a non-violent person justified all attacks on cops. By the same token, anything any human ever did to anyone you could be rightfully punished for. And where is the evidence the woman fell down the stairs? And how do you think "smileys" come across in the context of what seems like covering for brown shirts?
  - fcanela 9y ago
    I am not excusing neither of the behaviors: both violents and not professional policemen are doing wrong. All your text is based not in what I said, but in yours interpretations of my words I am adding references for the women issue too.
    - musage 9y ago
      Well sorry then for reading your brief comments that way. Since my Spanish sucks I can't blame you. But come on, we see cops doing things like jumping on people. Do their colleagues protest that? Do they go on strike until such actions are brought to court? No? Then they're all not "professional" enough in my eyes. "Unprofessional" also applies to things like saying "hey buddy" to someone at a traffic stop instead of a more formal greeting. Why do you call the violent behavior of protesters violent, but violent and kind of sadistic behavior of police "unprofessional"? And apart from my interpretation, the bit about guilt not being transferable also stands. And it's not a minor point on the side. > both violents and not professional policemen are doing wrong As far as I'm concerned, that's like saying a rape victim is bad at mario cart. Police violence, any abuses of official authority but certainly such egregious ones, play in a completely different ball park. And just like the abuse of authority (and gear) don't justify attacks on cops, attacks on cops don't justify other abuses. Thanks for pointing out that one thing was faked, I wish faking something like that should be punished like committing the act. But I remain in firm opposition to anyone who uses it to excuse anything else. If you want the waters muddled that way, accept guilt for anything anyone ever did. If you don't, don't muddle them. It's a binary choice.