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The good thing about Popper and 'intolerance of intolerance' is with the moral high ground you can use whatever force is necessary while setting 'intolerant beh

The good thing about Popper and 'intolerance of intolerance' is with the moral high ground you can use whatever force is necessary while setting 'intolerant behavior' as a moving goalpost. Today it's 'mildly sceptical over mass immigration'. Tomorrow it's 'not advocating for free healthcare'.

AFNobody 9y ago
> The good thing about Popper and 'intolerance of intolerance' is with the moral high ground you can use whatever force is necessary while setting 'intolerant behavior' as a moving goalpost. > Today it's 'mildly sceptical over mass immigration'. Tomorrow it's 'not advocating for free healthcare'. "Neo-Nazi" is not anywhere close to the same category as "skeptical on mass immigration". Skeptical on mass immigration represents a reasonable political position that is commonly accepted (as shown by how many Republicans with that position as part of their platform in the US). Neo-Nazi represents a fetishism for Nazism, Fascism, and the idea that mass murder might be acceptable.
- vetinari 9y ago
  In todays climate, everyone who is not radical left is being called a Nazi. Ben Shapiro has been called a Nazi.
  - AgentME 9y ago
    This article is about the DailyStormer. They proudly called themselves nazis.
  - AFNobody 9y ago
    You are arguing Weev, the Daily Stormer, and the people who call themselves Neo Nazis ... are not? Do you have any proof their proclamation they are neo nazis is a lie? You are aware it is literally named after a Nazi tabloid: The Daily Stormer is named for the Nazi tabloid Der Stürmer, known for its antisemitic caricatures. This 1934 billboard for Der Stürmer reads "With Der Stürmer against Judea. The Jews are our misfortune". Yes?
    - vetinari 9y ago
      Please read the comments upthread. Meanwhile, we moved away from Daily Stormer to Popper, calling people names for various reasons, including Nazi for immigration skeptics. The discussion in this thread is not limited to Daily Stormer anymore, but revolves around radical left calling anyone not having 100% identical opinion Nazis. Including Ben Shapiro, who is a guy that "wears a funny hat".
moomin 9y ago
The great thing about tolerating intolerance is that you can have people shot in the streets and pretend it's nothing to do with you. Every slope is slippery.
- vim_wannabe 9y ago
  I dunno, that sounds like a crime though.
  - eli_gottlieb 9y ago
    Nah, those were Jews and communists. No crime shooting them. /Godwin
  - gryfft 9y ago
    "You also had some very fine people on both sides."
  - _jal 9y ago
    Which leads to other complications. Who enforces the law when the police are the law breakers?
    - occultist_throw 9y ago
      Depending on which school of though... If you refer to peaceful methods, then look no further than Ghandi and MLK. Protest peacefully. Make them raise their fist. And record it, tell the stories, reduce their mandate. If you come from Malcolm X's or IRA's point of view: assassinations, military-like strikes, and generally war. I reserve judgement on which way is better.
      - devdas 9y ago
        Gandhi, not Ghandi. Gandhi was most effective when the Indian armed forces rebelled. MLK had Malcom X. You need a good cop and a bad cop.
      - 9y ago
dEnigma 9y ago
We're talking about the Daily Stormer here though. "Mildly sceptical over mass immigration" is putting it a bit too "mildly". That being said, I personally lean towards allowing free speech without restrictions (with exceptions for things like extortion). I just wanted to remind us about the context in which the parent comment was written.
Delmania 9y ago
Even with a slippery slope, you can install fences to prevent people from falling down. Every society needs to have standards it adheres to, and you can't accept every idea, or as happened in America, the bad ones get louder, because the intolerant are not interested in a discourse, but rather enforcing their views on people. The 2 cases you picked are poor, because in each case, there's evidence that people can use to make up their minds.
fineIllregister 9y ago
You're moving the goalposts. Ethno-nationalists are not "mildly sceptical over mass immigration". They advocate for the mass murder or violent removal of every person they consider to be "non-white".

AFNobody 9y ago

> The good thing about Popper and 'intolerance of intolerance' is with the moral high ground you can use whatever force is necessary while setting 'intolerant behavior' as a moving goalpost. > Today it's 'mildly sceptical over mass immigration'. Tomorrow it's 'not advocating for free healthcare'. "Neo-Nazi" is not anywhere close to the same category as "skeptical on mass immigration". Skeptical on mass immigration represents a reasonable political position that is commonly accepted (as shown by how many Republicans with that position as part of their platform in the US). Neo-Nazi represents a fetishism for Nazism, Fascism, and the idea that mass murder might be acceptable.

vetinari 9y ago
In todays climate, everyone who is not radical left is being called a Nazi. Ben Shapiro has been called a Nazi.
- AgentME 9y ago
  This article is about the DailyStormer. They proudly called themselves nazis.
- AFNobody 9y ago
  You are arguing Weev, the Daily Stormer, and the people who call themselves Neo Nazis ... are not? Do you have any proof their proclamation they are neo nazis is a lie? You are aware it is literally named after a Nazi tabloid: The Daily Stormer is named for the Nazi tabloid Der Stürmer, known for its antisemitic caricatures. This 1934 billboard for Der Stürmer reads "With Der Stürmer against Judea. The Jews are our misfortune". Yes?
  - vetinari 9y ago
    Please read the comments upthread. Meanwhile, we moved away from Daily Stormer to Popper, calling people names for various reasons, including Nazi for immigration skeptics. The discussion in this thread is not limited to Daily Stormer anymore, but revolves around radical left calling anyone not having 100% identical opinion Nazis. Including Ben Shapiro, who is a guy that "wears a funny hat".

moomin 9y ago

The great thing about tolerating intolerance is that you can have people shot in the streets and pretend it's nothing to do with you. Every slope is slippery.

vim_wannabe 9y ago
I dunno, that sounds like a crime though.
- eli_gottlieb 9y ago
  Nah, those were Jews and communists. No crime shooting them. /Godwin
- gryfft 9y ago
  "You also had some very fine people on both sides."
- _jal 9y ago
  Which leads to other complications. Who enforces the law when the police are the law breakers?
  - occultist_throw 9y ago
    Depending on which school of though... If you refer to peaceful methods, then look no further than Ghandi and MLK. Protest peacefully. Make them raise their fist. And record it, tell the stories, reduce their mandate. If you come from Malcolm X's or IRA's point of view: assassinations, military-like strikes, and generally war. I reserve judgement on which way is better.
    - devdas 9y ago
      Gandhi, not Ghandi. Gandhi was most effective when the Indian armed forces rebelled. MLK had Malcom X. You need a good cop and a bad cop.
    - 9y ago

dEnigma 9y ago

We're talking about the Daily Stormer here though. "Mildly sceptical over mass immigration" is putting it a bit too "mildly". That being said, I personally lean towards allowing free speech without restrictions (with exceptions for things like extortion). I just wanted to remind us about the context in which the parent comment was written.

Delmania 9y ago

Even with a slippery slope, you can install fences to prevent people from falling down. Every society needs to have standards it adheres to, and you can't accept every idea, or as happened in America, the bad ones get louder, because the intolerant are not interested in a discourse, but rather enforcing their views on people. The 2 cases you picked are poor, because in each case, there's evidence that people can use to make up their minds.

fineIllregister 9y ago

You're moving the goalposts. Ethno-nationalists are not "mildly sceptical over mass immigration". They advocate for the mass murder or violent removal of every person they consider to be "non-white".