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The term "data science" always struck me as odd. As in, don't all sciences necessarily involve data?

by andrewfong 9y ago

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BucketSort 9y ago
Data Science is what statistics is called by engineers.
- gaius 9y ago
  No, statistics is what statistics is called by engineers. Data science is rudimentary-level statistics, done on a Mac sipping a latte, while pretending that data mining and other disciplines haven't existed for decades already
- sin7 9y ago
  I've taken a lot of statistics classes. Not once were random forests mentioned. Boosting was. Gradient boosting wasn't. Linear and logistic models were mentioned, but those are day 1 data science.
proofofstake 9y ago
Scientists from fields that rely on data, like physics, often do well as data scientists. I myself like Information Science more than Data Science, but I do not care that much for semantics. There was a need to specify a role of someone who makes sense out of data, gathers insights, using the tools from mathematics, computer science, statistics, and information theory. It's also a different type of science, data-driven science, as opposed to theoretical/metaphysical, empirical, or computational science. There was an old joke that AI stood for Advanced Informatics. I think the commercialization of the term "AI" is a bit harmful and obfuscating. Companies tumble over one another to market their professionals as Applied AI or their products as AI. AI is the automation of human thought. It includes philosophy and cognitive science, both fields seem completely missing for applied AI. I know many AI researchers already switched to calling themselves ML researchers a few years back. This, because the field of AI became muddied with futurist adherents of the Singularity. Did not help that the public perception of AI is somewhere between "Skynet is coming!" and "AI will take my job". Nowadays, ML is also heavily saturated and hyped beyond repair. Meanwhile the field of AI has not even solved the common sense problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonsense_knowledge_(artificial_intelligence) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonsense_knowledge_(artific...
zitterbewegung 9y ago
Originally Peter Naur said it was a term synonymous with Computer Science. In 1996 - 2001 it was used in a similar manner today by academics. After the Harvard Business review called it "the sexiest job of the 21st century" it stuck. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_science https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_science
RA_Fisher 9y ago
It started as a secret code that meant "statistician that can program." There's a long debate in stats regarding whether what we do is science.
- gaius 9y ago
  Only programmers program is a myth only believed by programmers. Programming wouldn't even exist without statisticians, engineers, physicists and others.
cwyers 9y ago
This comes up every time that the term data science is mentioned on Hacker News, and it's frustrating that so many of the replies to you are the same ha-ha-only-serious responses that always pop up. The term is over 50 years old, and refers -- straightforwardly enough -- to the science of studying how to learn from data.[1] To all the jokes of "data science is just statistics done by engineers" and other such things, read Breiman's "Statistical Modeling: The Two Cultures." [2] It talks about how the field of statistics largely ignored "algorithmic modeling" techniques, and therefore historically those techniques have been developed outside of academic statistics, either in computer science departments or in industry. If you look at all the big name people who are pushing forward on deep learning and machine learning -- Yann LeCunn, Andrew Ng, Geoffry Hinton -- at Facebook, Google and other places, they don't have statistics degrees, they have computer science degrees. There's a whole wave of techniques and schools of thought that developed outside of statistics. To come back now and say "data science is statistics done by engineers" as some slight against engineers is malicious, parochial and wrong, and it annoys me greatly that it comes up so often on Hacker News. 1) http://courses.csail.mit.edu/18.337/2015/docs/50YearsDataScience.pdf http://courses.csail.mit.edu/18.337/2015/docs/50YearsDataSci... 2) https://projecteuclid.org/download/pdf_1/euclid.ss/1009213726 https://projecteuclid.org/download/pdf_1/euclid.ss/100921372...

The term "data science" always struck me as odd. As in, don't all sciences necessarily involve data?

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BucketSort 9y ago

Data Science is what statistics is called by engineers.

gaius 9y ago
No, statistics is what statistics is called by engineers. Data science is rudimentary-level statistics, done on a Mac sipping a latte, while pretending that data mining and other disciplines haven't existed for decades already
sin7 9y ago
I've taken a lot of statistics classes. Not once were random forests mentioned. Boosting was. Gradient boosting wasn't. Linear and logistic models were mentioned, but those are day 1 data science.

proofofstake 9y ago

Scientists from fields that rely on data, like physics, often do well as data scientists. I myself like Information Science more than Data Science, but I do not care that much for semantics. There was a need to specify a role of someone who makes sense out of data, gathers insights, using the tools from mathematics, computer science, statistics, and information theory. It's also a different type of science, data-driven science, as opposed to theoretical/metaphysical, empirical, or computational science. There was an old joke that AI stood for Advanced Informatics. I think the commercialization of the term "AI" is a bit harmful and obfuscating. Companies tumble over one another to market their professionals as Applied AI or their products as AI. AI is the automation of human thought. It includes philosophy and cognitive science, both fields seem completely missing for applied AI. I know many AI researchers already switched to calling themselves ML researchers a few years back. This, because the field of AI became muddied with futurist adherents of the Singularity. Did not help that the public perception of AI is somewhere between "Skynet is coming!" and "AI will take my job". Nowadays, ML is also heavily saturated and hyped beyond repair. Meanwhile the field of AI has not even solved the common sense problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonsense_knowledge_(artificial_intelligence) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonsense_knowledge_(artific...

zitterbewegung 9y ago

Originally Peter Naur said it was a term synonymous with Computer Science. In 1996 - 2001 it was used in a similar manner today by academics. After the Harvard Business review called it "the sexiest job of the 21st century" it stuck. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_science https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_science

RA_Fisher 9y ago

It started as a secret code that meant "statistician that can program." There's a long debate in stats regarding whether what we do is science.

gaius 9y ago
Only programmers program is a myth only believed by programmers. Programming wouldn't even exist without statisticians, engineers, physicists and others.

cwyers 9y ago

This comes up every time that the term data science is mentioned on Hacker News, and it's frustrating that so many of the replies to you are the same ha-ha-only-serious responses that always pop up. The term is over 50 years old, and refers -- straightforwardly enough -- to the science of studying how to learn from data.[1] To all the jokes of "data science is just statistics done by engineers" and other such things, read Breiman's "Statistical Modeling: The Two Cultures." [2] It talks about how the field of statistics largely ignored "algorithmic modeling" techniques, and therefore historically those techniques have been developed outside of academic statistics, either in computer science departments or in industry. If you look at all the big name people who are pushing forward on deep learning and machine learning -- Yann LeCunn, Andrew Ng, Geoffry Hinton -- at Facebook, Google and other places, they don't have statistics degrees, they have computer science degrees. There's a whole wave of techniques and schools of thought that developed outside of statistics. To come back now and say "data science is statistics done by engineers" as some slight against engineers is malicious, parochial and wrong, and it annoys me greatly that it comes up so often on Hacker News. 1) http://courses.csail.mit.edu/18.337/2015/docs/50YearsDataScience.pdf http://courses.csail.mit.edu/18.337/2015/docs/50YearsDataSci... 2) https://projecteuclid.org/download/pdf_1/euclid.ss/1009213726 https://projecteuclid.org/download/pdf_1/euclid.ss/100921372...