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> What voters vote for wealth redistribution? Mostly urban areas. What do any of those examples have to do with Jante? You think gang violence is because peopl

> What voters vote for wealth redistribution? Mostly urban areas. What do any of those examples have to do with Jante? You think gang violence is because people are trying to stop other people from rising out of poverty, rather than someone trying to rise out of poverty through crime? Please tell me you don't think gang bangers are out there telling kids not to go to school because of Jante. That's hilarious.

paulddraper 9y ago
> What voters vote for wealth redistribution? 1. You're not to think you are anything special. 6. You're not to think you are more important than we are. > Where does Antifa corner someone with bad speech and beat them up? 4. You're not to imagine yourself better than we are. > Where does gang violence (epitome of contrived us vs. them) happen? 2. You're not to think you are as good as we are. 8. You're not to laugh at us. 9. You're not to think anyone cares about you. --- > You think gang violence is because people are trying to stop other people from rising out of poverty, rather than someone trying to rise out of poverty through crime? Tomato, tomato. First, gang activity is perceived to be zero-sum; a gang protects its territory. Second, vengence is primarily about hurting the other guy, not helping yourself.
- abiox 9y ago
  so, jante's 'be humble' is actually coded rationalization for violence. what a world. for some reason this reminds me of a time when a few internet eccentrics were trying to suggest that hegel's dialetic was some kind of freemason/illuminati conspiracy theory. in some ways jante isn't all that different from japanese wa, or really even the attitudes of many rural americans.
  - paulddraper 9y ago
    > jante's 'be humble' is actually coded rationalization for violence It can be, yes. Religions can inspire peace or war, depending on how strongly their followers need others to agree.
    - abiox 9y ago
      is jante a religion, or really anything very similar? is there a 'holy book'?
- dahart 9y ago
  Suburban violence rates are almost as high as urban rates. Rural violence rates reported to the police are significant, but may be lower than urban and suburban due to lower reporting rates. When you look at victimization rates of violent crimes not reported to the police, there are nearly as many rural victims of violent crimes as there are urban victims. And note especially that the rate of aggravated assault victimization is higher in rural areas than urban. This doesn't prove you're wrong, but it is fairly suggestive evidence that the idea that violence happens in mostly urban areas is off the mark. https://ovc.ncjrs.gov/ncvrw2016/content/section-6/PDF/2016NCVRW_6_UrbanRural-508.pdf https://ovc.ncjrs.gov/ncvrw2016/content/section-6/PDF/2016NC... As far as wealth redistribution, which kind are you talking about, the kind where the rich take from the poor, or the kind where the poor take from the rich? This seems like a political troll unrelated to the Law of Jante, but it's safe to say that all voters vote for wealth redistribution, it just depends on which direction you believe it should go.
  - paulddraper 9y ago
    > which kind are you talking about Sorry, that was vague. I meant the way it is most often used: wealth redistribution towards equality. > It is frequently heard in politics, usually referring to perceived redistributions from those who have more to those who have less. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistribution_of_income_and_wealth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistribution_of_income_and_w...
    - dahart 9y ago
      Not just vague, but wildly and needlessly politically charged. Capitalism is a system that redistributes wealth away from equality by definition, and it highly encourages and favors individualism, by definition. Suggesting that the Law of Jante would judge social programs that aim for the common good to be individualistic seems misguided and blind to the economic realities of the growing inequality we actually have.
- chickenfries 9y ago
  > Second, vengence is primarily about hurting the other guy, not helping yourself. What kind of romantic world do you live in where you think crime is motivated more by "vengence" than economics? You've been watching too many gangster movies or something where you think it's all about vendettas and less about fighting over highly profitable criminal enterprises like drugs. Have you heard of the war on drugs? This Jante reading of urban violence is preposterous.

paulddraper 9y ago

> What voters vote for wealth redistribution? 1. You're not to think you are anything special. 6. You're not to think you are more important than we are. > Where does Antifa corner someone with bad speech and beat them up? 4. You're not to imagine yourself better than we are. > Where does gang violence (epitome of contrived us vs. them) happen? 2. You're not to think you are as good as we are. 8. You're not to laugh at us. 9. You're not to think anyone cares about you. --- > You think gang violence is because people are trying to stop other people from rising out of poverty, rather than someone trying to rise out of poverty through crime? Tomato, tomato. First, gang activity is perceived to be zero-sum; a gang protects its territory. Second, vengence is primarily about hurting the other guy, not helping yourself.

abiox 9y ago
so, jante's 'be humble' is actually coded rationalization for violence. what a world. for some reason this reminds me of a time when a few internet eccentrics were trying to suggest that hegel's dialetic was some kind of freemason/illuminati conspiracy theory. in some ways jante isn't all that different from japanese wa, or really even the attitudes of many rural americans.
- paulddraper 9y ago
  > jante's 'be humble' is actually coded rationalization for violence It can be, yes. Religions can inspire peace or war, depending on how strongly their followers need others to agree.
  - abiox 9y ago
    is jante a religion, or really anything very similar? is there a 'holy book'?
dahart 9y ago
Suburban violence rates are almost as high as urban rates. Rural violence rates reported to the police are significant, but may be lower than urban and suburban due to lower reporting rates. When you look at victimization rates of violent crimes not reported to the police, there are nearly as many rural victims of violent crimes as there are urban victims. And note especially that the rate of aggravated assault victimization is higher in rural areas than urban. This doesn't prove you're wrong, but it is fairly suggestive evidence that the idea that violence happens in mostly urban areas is off the mark. https://ovc.ncjrs.gov/ncvrw2016/content/section-6/PDF/2016NCVRW_6_UrbanRural-508.pdf https://ovc.ncjrs.gov/ncvrw2016/content/section-6/PDF/2016NC... As far as wealth redistribution, which kind are you talking about, the kind where the rich take from the poor, or the kind where the poor take from the rich? This seems like a political troll unrelated to the Law of Jante, but it's safe to say that all voters vote for wealth redistribution, it just depends on which direction you believe it should go.
- paulddraper 9y ago
  > which kind are you talking about Sorry, that was vague. I meant the way it is most often used: wealth redistribution towards equality. > It is frequently heard in politics, usually referring to perceived redistributions from those who have more to those who have less. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistribution_of_income_and_wealth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistribution_of_income_and_w...
  - dahart 9y ago
    Not just vague, but wildly and needlessly politically charged. Capitalism is a system that redistributes wealth away from equality by definition, and it highly encourages and favors individualism, by definition. Suggesting that the Law of Jante would judge social programs that aim for the common good to be individualistic seems misguided and blind to the economic realities of the growing inequality we actually have.
chickenfries 9y ago
> Second, vengence is primarily about hurting the other guy, not helping yourself. What kind of romantic world do you live in where you think crime is motivated more by "vengence" than economics? You've been watching too many gangster movies or something where you think it's all about vendettas and less about fighting over highly profitable criminal enterprises like drugs. Have you heard of the war on drugs? This Jante reading of urban violence is preposterous.