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Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? The statistics are indisputable, being obese causes permanent damage to your body and reduces

by cyphar 9y ago

Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? The statistics are indisputable, being obese causes permanent damage to your body and reduces both the quality and length of your life. Wanting someone to frame this differently is a bit of an odd complaint. I also used to be obese, and I also made my own decision to become healthy. I don't think you can force someone to become healthier, but I doubt that I would be in my current state today if nobody mentioned my weight to me. Maybe you feel differently, but ignoring a problem rarely helps make it go away. Blaming your environment (Elevators? Really? Every building has fire stairs...) or society at large for people not being motivated to lose weight is an odd perspective (especially blaming people who are trying to help by bringing the problem to your attention). Letting things slide, and a lack of constant affirmation is what caused to me to remain obese for several years. There are better ways of helping (offering to go for a run with someone), but ultimately that's just a nicer way to remind someone of their weight. Also, GP was pointing out the double standard when it comes to how anorexia and obesity are treated by society.

DanBC 9y ago
Obesogenic environments exist.
sillysaurus3 9y ago
Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? The statistics are indisputable, being obese causes permanent damage to your body and reduces both the quality and length of your life. Wanting someone to frame this differently is a bit of an odd complaint. No, not at all. If you don't frame it differently, you won't change anyone's mind. That reveals the goal for what it is: to feel good about thumbing your nose at obese people, rather than actually persuading them to do something about it. If you want to persuade people, it's best to be clear about that in your own mind. But if you only want to feel superior then being like "You're fat, yo" is a fine way.
Mz 9y ago
Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? I know the motives of the judgy people who were a part of my life better than you do. This kind of comment really should just never happen. In one sentence, you are casually dismissing conclusions about my own life that have taken me decades to arrive at. Also, GP was pointing out the double standard when it comes to how anorexia and obesity are treated by society. The article is about France, not the US. The observation that Americans are oversensitive about this could be deemed "off topic." The article lays out the completely valid reasons why France is concerned about a) excessive emphasis on thinness in its country and b) photos not simply lying to you about how people look. Really, it is kind of BS to act like there is something wrong with requiring a two word label notifying you that the photo has been retouched. We are inundated daily with endless photos. Knowing which are legitimate representations of what actual people look like vs photo shopped fantasy bull seems like a completely valid desire for a long list of reasons.
- oh_sigh 9y ago
  > In one sentence, you are casually dismissing conclusions about my own life that have taken me decades to arrive at. Aren't you also casually dismissing other peoples lived experience by assuming you know what their motivations are?
  - Mz 9y ago
    Taking decades to draw certain conclusions about my own life is not something I would describe as casual.
    - oh_sigh 9y ago
      How many decades of life do the people have under their belt that you're judging?
      - tomhoward 9y ago
        Most likely very little of the kind that qualifies them to express such opinions. I've had experiences that are reminiscent of Michele's over the past 10+ years. I can tell you that neither your own comments, nor the comments others made to Michele that you're now trying to defend, are at all helpful, and in both cases can be quite damaging. Please show some humanity and give it a rest.
SolaceQuantum 9y ago
> Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? If this was the case, why specify women and not men, why use shaming techniques that are scientifically proven not to work, why argue that this is to protect the feelings of women as if it is a bad thing, when there is proof that making women feel bad about their bodies with unrealistic media actually contributes to obesity?

by cyphar 9y ago

DanBC 9y ago

Obesogenic environments exist.

sillysaurus3 9y ago

Mz 9y ago

Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? I know the motives of the judgy people who were a part of my life better than you do. This kind of comment really should just never happen. In one sentence, you are casually dismissing conclusions about my own life that have taken me decades to arrive at. Also, GP was pointing out the double standard when it comes to how anorexia and obesity are treated by society. The article is about France, not the US. The observation that Americans are oversensitive about this could be deemed "off topic." The article lays out the completely valid reasons why France is concerned about a) excessive emphasis on thinness in its country and b) photos not simply lying to you about how people look. Really, it is kind of BS to act like there is something wrong with requiring a two word label notifying you that the photo has been retouched. We are inundated daily with endless photos. Knowing which are legitimate representations of what actual people look like vs photo shopped fantasy bull seems like a completely valid desire for a long list of reasons.

oh_sigh 9y ago
> In one sentence, you are casually dismissing conclusions about my own life that have taken me decades to arrive at. Aren't you also casually dismissing other peoples lived experience by assuming you know what their motivations are?
- Mz 9y ago
  Taking decades to draw certain conclusions about my own life is not something I would describe as casual.
  - oh_sigh 9y ago
    How many decades of life do the people have under their belt that you're judging?
    - tomhoward 9y ago
      Most likely very little of the kind that qualifies them to express such opinions. I've had experiences that are reminiscent of Michele's over the past 10+ years. I can tell you that neither your own comments, nor the comments others made to Michele that you're now trying to defend, are at all helpful, and in both cases can be quite damaging. Please show some humanity and give it a rest.

SolaceQuantum 9y ago

> Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? If this was the case, why specify women and not men, why use shaming techniques that are scientifically proven not to work, why argue that this is to protect the feelings of women as if it is a bad thing, when there is proof that making women feel bad about their bodies with unrealistic media actually contributes to obesity?