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>I wrote that four years ago, but the ads are as bad today as they were then But to be fair (and mind you I am not particularly appreciative of Paint.Net nor o

by jaclaz 9y ago

>I wrote that four years ago, but the ads are as bad today as they were then But to be fair (and mind you I am not particularly appreciative of Paint.Net nor of this new "procurement model", as the two things I have an allergy for are .Net and the Windows Store ;) ) a large part of the Internet has similar download pages (with deceiving ads), which is not an "excuse" or a "good thing" but surely it is something with which any internet user has by now learned to avoid or workaround. I would put the blame also (and mainly) on those that allow such deceiving ads to be served to these (or similar) download pages (aka Google). However I would instead underline how in this blog post there is no mention of/link to www.getpaint.net, while there is (as an example) a clear one in the first line of the blog post for the previous release: https://blog.getpaint.net/2017/07/20/paint-net-4-0-17-is-now-available/ https://blog.getpaint.net/2017/07/20/paint-net-4-0-17-is-now... So - understandably - the Author attempts to push a little bit the "Windows Store" source, maybe - indirectly or at a subliminal level - hinting that "experts" can have it for free (because they can actually find the download page and link) while "n00bs" will better be paying the "entry ticket" and go to the Windows Store ...

NicoJuicy 9y ago
Why would you hate. Net ? It's an awesome environment
- jaclaz 9y ago
  >Why would you hate. Net ? It's an awesome environment I don't hate it, I have a form of allergy to it, it is not the same thing. I personally like small, portable, self-contained programs capable of running "everywhere" both in "installed" OSes and in reduced environments, such as a PE or RE, and .Net based programs are none of them (this is not specific to paint.net, that is an actual practical example of how "awesome" the environment is).
  - Sacho 9y ago
    .net core apps are portable and can be self-contained, not sure if they match your definition of small though(what's PE/RE?)
    - 0xcde4c3db 9y ago
      > what's PE/RE? Preinstallation Environment [1] and Recovery Environment [2], basically stripped-down "live" versions of Windows for deployment and repair purposes. They're frequently customized by PC vendors and corporate IT departments. [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/winpe-intro https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufactur... [2] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/windows-recovery-environment--windows-re--technical-reference https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufactur...
    - jaclaz 9y ago
      Maybe I can better explain myself. A program like paint.net is a program that normally would be "installed" on a "fully installed" OS. The fact that it uses the .Net subsystem is mostly "transparent" (to be picky it is transparent on recent OS's where the .Net subssystem is installed anyway, not so much on older systems where .Net is not installed or is installed by default in an earlier version that may not be compatible with the program at hand and needs an update). For it and for any number of programs that only make sense on a full system this is not an issue at all. The allergy I declared revolves about small tools that would be useful both in a fully installed system and in a reduced environment, such as a PE or RE (Pre-installation Environment or Recovery Environment) typically used in recovery or repairing scenarios, typically booting from removable media such as a USB stick or CD/DVD . In these cases it is more complex (and anyway adds several tens of megabytes to the build, which implies also often slower booting) to have a working .Net environment suitable to run the given program/tool.
- hungerstrike 9y ago
  Because of tribalism. Your tribe won't accept you any longer if you stray too far. Some people also really enjoy feeling superior to others, so they do whatever they have to in order to appear as such. These superior tribalists are usually the people who go around saying things like "I personally like small, portable, self-contained programs capable of running everywhere..." instead of things like "I like using the best tools for the given job so that I can better serve my users." Or, you know, he or she has an allergy to it - didn't you hear that part?
  - jaclaz 9y ago
    Sure, I would be immediately kicked out of the tribe of do-more-with-less-bytes, had I not declared the superiority of small, self-contained tools.

by jaclaz 9y ago

NicoJuicy 9y ago

Why would you hate. Net ? It's an awesome environment

jaclaz 9y ago
>Why would you hate. Net ? It's an awesome environment I don't hate it, I have a form of allergy to it, it is not the same thing. I personally like small, portable, self-contained programs capable of running "everywhere" both in "installed" OSes and in reduced environments, such as a PE or RE, and .Net based programs are none of them (this is not specific to paint.net, that is an actual practical example of how "awesome" the environment is).
- Sacho 9y ago
  .net core apps are portable and can be self-contained, not sure if they match your definition of small though(what's PE/RE?)
  - 0xcde4c3db 9y ago
    > what's PE/RE? Preinstallation Environment [1] and Recovery Environment [2], basically stripped-down "live" versions of Windows for deployment and repair purposes. They're frequently customized by PC vendors and corporate IT departments. [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/winpe-intro https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufactur... [2] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/windows-recovery-environment--windows-re--technical-reference https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufactur...
  - jaclaz 9y ago
    Maybe I can better explain myself. A program like paint.net is a program that normally would be "installed" on a "fully installed" OS. The fact that it uses the .Net subsystem is mostly "transparent" (to be picky it is transparent on recent OS's where the .Net subssystem is installed anyway, not so much on older systems where .Net is not installed or is installed by default in an earlier version that may not be compatible with the program at hand and needs an update). For it and for any number of programs that only make sense on a full system this is not an issue at all. The allergy I declared revolves about small tools that would be useful both in a fully installed system and in a reduced environment, such as a PE or RE (Pre-installation Environment or Recovery Environment) typically used in recovery or repairing scenarios, typically booting from removable media such as a USB stick or CD/DVD . In these cases it is more complex (and anyway adds several tens of megabytes to the build, which implies also often slower booting) to have a working .Net environment suitable to run the given program/tool.
hungerstrike 9y ago
Because of tribalism. Your tribe won't accept you any longer if you stray too far. Some people also really enjoy feeling superior to others, so they do whatever they have to in order to appear as such. These superior tribalists are usually the people who go around saying things like "I personally like small, portable, self-contained programs capable of running everywhere..." instead of things like "I like using the best tools for the given job so that I can better serve my users." Or, you know, he or she has an allergy to it - didn't you hear that part?
- jaclaz 9y ago
  Sure, I would be immediately kicked out of the tribe of do-more-with-less-bytes, had I not declared the superiority of small, self-contained tools.