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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States It's not quite as simple as just that n

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States It's not quite as simple as just that number, but yes it's staggeringly high, even in developed countries. Note that most go unreported to the police for a huge variety of reasons. Edit: some choice quotes for the lazy: > Only 16% of rapes and sexual assaults are reported to the police (Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. 1992 and United Nations Populations Fund, 2000a) > The 1998 the National Violence Against Women Survey described the incidence of rape as 1 in 6 and 1 in 33 men based upon the report of experiencing an attempted or completed rape in her or his lifetime. > A 2007 survey by the National Institute of Justice found that 19.0% of college women and 6.1% of college men experienced either sexual assault or attempted sexual assault since entering college.

Retric 9y ago
Lumping attempted rape with actual rape is arguably very misleading. The actual statistics and definitions are really tricky and get bent to portray various agendas. Aka This area is 'safe' vs men are evil. Drunken collage sex for example has various interpretations at say .08 BAC vs 0.3 BAC etc. Especially when you get into regrets after the fact etc. IMO, you need define the measure on a scale from say unwanted but non physical to violent physical encounter, before the statistic is really meaningful to a general audience.
- IgorPartola 9y ago
  I think it's better to not lump them together when presenting statistics, but presenting both is important. Both are traumatic experiences and will haunt the person for the rest of their life. "Attempted rape" is not exactly an innocent thing.
  - TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
    > Both are traumatic experiences and will haunt the person for the rest of their life. The issue here is that with an expanded definition of rape, rape isn't always traumatic. Thousands of women have drunken sex every night, yet the vast majority of them aren't traumatized by it.
    - IgorPartola 9y ago
      > The issue here is that with an expanded definition of rape, rape isn't always traumatic. facepalm Say that sentence out loud until what you just said kicks in. Consensual sex, even when alcohol is involved, is still consensual sex. Rape is rape.
      - TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
        > Consensual sex, even when alcohol is involved, is still consensual sex. Rape is rape. The issue is that drunk consensual sex is no longer considered consensual. The definition of rape has changed and expanded over the years to include activities that are pretty common in our society.
        IgorPartola 9y ago
        I'mma need a real good source here. Show me any legal definition of rape that says that.
        TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
        Absolutely! https://web.stanford.edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=305 https://web.stanford.edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=305 With Stanford's definition, consent can be considered null and void because they were drunk at the time, opening up the potential for retroactive revocation of consensual drunk sex.
        IgorPartola 9y ago
        No. I take issue with the definition of "any alcohol => no ability to consent" but Stanford's definition is pretty clear: there is a point past which you are too drunk to consent. Like, if I found you passed out in a bar bathroom and started fucking you, you wouldn't be able to consent, right? But if you had a beer and said "let's go to my place", you obviously can. There is no law or definition that says "any alcohol automatically means no ability to consent."

Retric 9y ago

Lumping attempted rape with actual rape is arguably very misleading. The actual statistics and definitions are really tricky and get bent to portray various agendas. Aka This area is 'safe' vs men are evil. Drunken collage sex for example has various interpretations at say .08 BAC vs 0.3 BAC etc. Especially when you get into regrets after the fact etc. IMO, you need define the measure on a scale from say unwanted but non physical to violent physical encounter, before the statistic is really meaningful to a general audience.

IgorPartola 9y ago
I think it's better to not lump them together when presenting statistics, but presenting both is important. Both are traumatic experiences and will haunt the person for the rest of their life. "Attempted rape" is not exactly an innocent thing.
- TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
  > Both are traumatic experiences and will haunt the person for the rest of their life. The issue here is that with an expanded definition of rape, rape isn't always traumatic. Thousands of women have drunken sex every night, yet the vast majority of them aren't traumatized by it.
  - IgorPartola 9y ago
    > The issue here is that with an expanded definition of rape, rape isn't always traumatic. facepalm Say that sentence out loud until what you just said kicks in. Consensual sex, even when alcohol is involved, is still consensual sex. Rape is rape.
    - TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
      > Consensual sex, even when alcohol is involved, is still consensual sex. Rape is rape. The issue is that drunk consensual sex is no longer considered consensual. The definition of rape has changed and expanded over the years to include activities that are pretty common in our society.
      - IgorPartola 9y ago
        I'mma need a real good source here. Show me any legal definition of rape that says that.
        TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
        Absolutely! https://web.stanford.edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=305 https://web.stanford.edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=305 With Stanford's definition, consent can be considered null and void because they were drunk at the time, opening up the potential for retroactive revocation of consensual drunk sex.
        IgorPartola 9y ago
        No. I take issue with the definition of "any alcohol => no ability to consent" but Stanford's definition is pretty clear: there is a point past which you are too drunk to consent. Like, if I found you passed out in a bar bathroom and started fucking you, you wouldn't be able to consent, right? But if you had a beer and said "let's go to my place", you obviously can. There is no law or definition that says "any alcohol automatically means no ability to consent."