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Does this article seriously claim 25% of women are raped? Troubling if correct.

by dias_ 9y ago

abalone 9y ago
It says 15% are raped. The (respectable) source is this: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/172837.pdf https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/172837.pdf
TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
These statistics are often caused by both an inflated definition of rape that includes undesired kissing, groping, or regretted interactions, and also by the fact that it's done by survey, which inflates the numbers. Edit: I like how instead of arguing with me or having a discussion, some of you are downvoting me. Try to question statistics you hear, because usually there's a motive behind gathering those statistics in the first place. I've linked to it down below. http://time.com/3633903/campus-rape-1-in-5-sexual-assault-setting-record-straight/ http://time.com/3633903/campus-rape-1-in-5-sexual-assault-se...
s_ngularity 9y ago
I believe the actual figure is 1 in 4 are sexually harassed, not raped
- IgorPartola 9y ago
  That's incorrect. Edit: to clarify, what I mean is that if you include things like cat calling, groping, etc., it'll be closer to 100% for harassment. There are good reasons to include these.
IgorPartola 9y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States It's not quite as simple as just that number, but yes it's staggeringly high, even in developed countries. Note that most go unreported to the police for a huge variety of reasons. Edit: some choice quotes for the lazy: > Only 16% of rapes and sexual assaults are reported to the police (Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. 1992 and United Nations Populations Fund, 2000a) > The 1998 the National Violence Against Women Survey described the incidence of rape as 1 in 6 and 1 in 33 men based upon the report of experiencing an attempted or completed rape in her or his lifetime. > A 2007 survey by the National Institute of Justice found that 19.0% of college women and 6.1% of college men experienced either sexual assault or attempted sexual assault since entering college.
- Retric 9y ago
  Lumping attempted rape with actual rape is arguably very misleading. The actual statistics and definitions are really tricky and get bent to portray various agendas. Aka This area is 'safe' vs men are evil. Drunken collage sex for example has various interpretations at say .08 BAC vs 0.3 BAC etc. Especially when you get into regrets after the fact etc. IMO, you need define the measure on a scale from say unwanted but non physical to violent physical encounter, before the statistic is really meaningful to a general audience.
  - IgorPartola 9y ago
    I think it's better to not lump them together when presenting statistics, but presenting both is important. Both are traumatic experiences and will haunt the person for the rest of their life. "Attempted rape" is not exactly an innocent thing.
    - TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
      > Both are traumatic experiences and will haunt the person for the rest of their life. The issue here is that with an expanded definition of rape, rape isn't always traumatic. Thousands of women have drunken sex every night, yet the vast majority of them aren't traumatized by it.
      - IgorPartola 9y ago
        > The issue here is that with an expanded definition of rape, rape isn't always traumatic. facepalm Say that sentence out loud until what you just said kicks in. Consensual sex, even when alcohol is involved, is still consensual sex. Rape is rape.
        TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
        > Consensual sex, even when alcohol is involved, is still consensual sex. Rape is rape. The issue is that drunk consensual sex is no longer considered consensual. The definition of rape has changed and expanded over the years to include activities that are pretty common in our society.
TazeTSchnitzel 9y ago
Basically, only a small portion of sexual assaults end up reported to police, and our culture at large handles consent pretty poorly. The law says sex without consent is illegal, but society has little idea what consent is nor norms to encourage doing it affirmatively, so you end up in this mess, especially when assault is almost encouraged in some contexts. It doesn't help that, odds are, you won't get in trouble for it. Unfortunately it's a tricky problem with no easy solutions.
dreta 9y ago
It’s sexual assault, not rape, and „1 in 5” studies like these have consistently failed to stand up to scrutiny, mainly due to unclear definition of what constitutes sexual assault. This whole article was written from the perspective of an „ally”, so it’s hardly a surprise to see things like that cited.

Does this article seriously claim 25% of women are raped? Troubling if correct.

by dias_ 9y ago

Does this article seriously claim 25% of women are raped? Troubling if correct.

It says 15% are raped. The (respectable) source is this: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/172837.pdf https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/172837.pdf

TheAdamAndChe 9y ago

These statistics are often caused by both an inflated definition of rape that includes undesired kissing, groping, or regretted interactions, and also by the fact that it's done by survey, which inflates the numbers. Edit: I like how instead of arguing with me or having a discussion, some of you are downvoting me. Try to question statistics you hear, because usually there's a motive behind gathering those statistics in the first place. I've linked to it down below. http://time.com/3633903/campus-rape-1-in-5-sexual-assault-setting-record-straight/ http://time.com/3633903/campus-rape-1-in-5-sexual-assault-se...

s_ngularity 9y ago

I believe the actual figure is 1 in 4 are sexually harassed, not raped

IgorPartola 9y ago
That's incorrect. Edit: to clarify, what I mean is that if you include things like cat calling, groping, etc., it'll be closer to 100% for harassment. There are good reasons to include these.

IgorPartola 9y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States It's not quite as simple as just that number, but yes it's staggeringly high, even in developed countries. Note that most go unreported to the police for a huge variety of reasons. Edit: some choice quotes for the lazy: > Only 16% of rapes and sexual assaults are reported to the police (Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. 1992 and United Nations Populations Fund, 2000a) > The 1998 the National Violence Against Women Survey described the incidence of rape as 1 in 6 and 1 in 33 men based upon the report of experiencing an attempted or completed rape in her or his lifetime. > A 2007 survey by the National Institute of Justice found that 19.0% of college women and 6.1% of college men experienced either sexual assault or attempted sexual assault since entering college.

Retric 9y ago
Lumping attempted rape with actual rape is arguably very misleading. The actual statistics and definitions are really tricky and get bent to portray various agendas. Aka This area is 'safe' vs men are evil. Drunken collage sex for example has various interpretations at say .08 BAC vs 0.3 BAC etc. Especially when you get into regrets after the fact etc. IMO, you need define the measure on a scale from say unwanted but non physical to violent physical encounter, before the statistic is really meaningful to a general audience.
- IgorPartola 9y ago
  I think it's better to not lump them together when presenting statistics, but presenting both is important. Both are traumatic experiences and will haunt the person for the rest of their life. "Attempted rape" is not exactly an innocent thing.
  - TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
    > Both are traumatic experiences and will haunt the person for the rest of their life. The issue here is that with an expanded definition of rape, rape isn't always traumatic. Thousands of women have drunken sex every night, yet the vast majority of them aren't traumatized by it.
    - IgorPartola 9y ago
      > The issue here is that with an expanded definition of rape, rape isn't always traumatic. facepalm Say that sentence out loud until what you just said kicks in. Consensual sex, even when alcohol is involved, is still consensual sex. Rape is rape.
      - TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
        > Consensual sex, even when alcohol is involved, is still consensual sex. Rape is rape. The issue is that drunk consensual sex is no longer considered consensual. The definition of rape has changed and expanded over the years to include activities that are pretty common in our society.

TazeTSchnitzel 9y ago

Basically, only a small portion of sexual assaults end up reported to police, and our culture at large handles consent pretty poorly. The law says sex without consent is illegal, but society has little idea what consent is nor norms to encourage doing it affirmatively, so you end up in this mess, especially when assault is almost encouraged in some contexts. It doesn't help that, odds are, you won't get in trouble for it. Unfortunately it's a tricky problem with no easy solutions.

dreta 9y ago

It’s sexual assault, not rape, and „1 in 5” studies like these have consistently failed to stand up to scrutiny, mainly due to unclear definition of what constitutes sexual assault. This whole article was written from the perspective of an „ally”, so it’s hardly a surprise to see things like that cited.