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IndyRef didn't hammer out all the details first either. Neither did Brexit. Before the detail-hammering starts, it needs the decision that people actually want

IndyRef didn't hammer out all the details first either. Neither did Brexit. Before the detail-hammering starts, it needs the decision that people actually want it in the first place (the referendum) otherwise it's all moot. A two-referendum model isn't necessarily a bad idea -- if you hold the first referendum on negotiating independence, and the second on executing it. Though I suspect you'd need to make that clear before the first referendum, otherwise it'd seem like "Hmm, that wasn't the answer we wanted; perhaps if we ask you the question again..." It having gone this far, though I could be wrong, I can't currently see denying a referendum working for anybody. Spain seems to be pursuing a kind of One Spain policy, and I doubt the Catalan populace will go along with that -- seems more likely to get their hackles up to say there's no way they could have independence even if they all wanted it.

jorgemf 9y ago
This is worse done than Brexit. Brexit had a public debate, this didn't. For some people being independent also means to be part of the European Union, let the Barcelona FC play in the Spanish league, getting funding from the central government of Spain, no borders, etc. There is only hate in both sides that has been fed by politics during years. I am quite sure an open debate would have reach a middle point that would have make happier everybody. Catalans that don't want to be independent are also angry with the central government because they want the right to vote. Numbers were never made public but 80% of catalans want the right to vote and only 33% have stated clearly they want to be independent whatever it means. If people go to vote probably they won't be independent, but with this referendum how is being done a lot of people are not even going to care and only nacionalist will vote.

jorgemf 9y ago

This is worse done than Brexit. Brexit had a public debate, this didn't. For some people being independent also means to be part of the European Union, let the Barcelona FC play in the Spanish league, getting funding from the central government of Spain, no borders, etc. There is only hate in both sides that has been fed by politics during years. I am quite sure an open debate would have reach a middle point that would have make happier everybody. Catalans that don't want to be independent are also angry with the central government because they want the right to vote. Numbers were never made public but 80% of catalans want the right to vote and only 33% have stated clearly they want to be independent whatever it means. If people go to vote probably they won't be independent, but with this referendum how is being done a lot of people are not even going to care and only nacionalist will vote.