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>"Your question is answered in depth in the documentary ..." It wasn't an actual question it was rhetorical. I've seen the documentary, I don't buy it all. I f

>"Your question is answered in depth in the documentary ..." It wasn't an actual question it was rhetorical. I've seen the documentary, I don't buy it all. I find his sincerity questionable. Similarly his Twitter profile shows he is the President at @FreedomofPress, yet he takes refuge in a country that that is one of the most deplorable in terms of media freedom. >"Semantics, both are entwined in case as GPG." No it's not semantics and if you want distort it like that, both security and privacy are under assault by that same NSA. >"Not a statement of much, if any, value." But sighting a Hollywood movie as evidence of accuracy is? Sure, right that makes a lot of sense.

geofft 9y ago
> Similarly his Twitter profile shows he is the President at @FreedomofPress, yet he takes refuge in a country that that is one of the most deplorable in terms of media freedom. That's because we live in a world where there is no country that's good at media freedom. We have the US, which is interested in exposing Russia's crimes and hiding its own; Russia, which is interested in exposing the US's crimes and hiding its own, various somewhat less powerful countries that are effectively allied with one or the other, and various significantly less powerful countries that don't have the ability to anger either. What country do you think he should have taken refuge in?
- bogomipz 9y ago
  >"That's because we live in a world where there is no country that's good at media freedom" No, there's no shortage of countries that have good media freedom: https://rsf.org/en/ranking# https://rsf.org/en/ranking# >"We have the US, which is interested in exposing Russia's crimes and hiding its own; Russia, which is interested in exposing the US's crimes and hiding its own," Please name one crime that the US media hid from the American people? Everything and everyone in the US is fair game. >"What country do you think he should have taken refuge in?" That's not the point, the point is he emigrates to Putin's Russia and then becomes President at @FreedomofPress. And for a refresher on the state of media freedom in Russia: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23...
  - Fnoord 9y ago
    > No, there's no shortage of countries that have good media freedom: https://rsf.org/en/ranking# https://rsf.org/en/ranking# Cute list, Sweden at #2, I suppose Assange should go to Sweden as well? What you say is completely and utterly irrelevant in the context where the United States of America would use extradition agreements to get Snowden back on US soil, for example by basing themselves on this ridiculous law [1]. Notwithstanding that Snowden did a service to the countries in your list. Germany did not pardon Snowden, so he didn't go there. Bottomline is, such a list is secondary to Snowden's personal freedom, his primary interest (don't confuse that with your lack of care about his personal freedom). His personal freedom is [somewhat] protected in Russia, but not in Sweden, Germany, or The Netherlands because the claw of the US government reaches that far. TL;DR he'd have been an utter idiot if he went to the EU. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917
    - bogomipz 9y ago
      Reporters Without Borders is a 35 year old non-profit institution that promotes and defends freedom of information and freedom of the press around. It's incredibly respected and has local watch-dog offices all over the world. Every time you are confronted with facts and you shift the focus to something else. Now you are discussing Julian Assange? But since you brought him up, he is another one who has taken up refuge in a country where censorship is rampant and press freedom is abysmal: https://knightcenter.utexas.edu/blog/00-17891-attacks-freedom-expression-ecuador-increase-due-application-communications-law-accordi https://knightcenter.utexas.edu/blog/00-17891-attacks-freedo... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Ecuador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Ecuador >"Bottomline is, such a list is secondary to Snowden's personal freedom," How very selective for both Snowden and Assange that being a pawn of corrupt regimes that have no respect for press freedoms is acceptable as long as you have another bogeyman to point at. So it's OK for them to condone the behavior of those governments provided that both of them are recipients of their favors? They are both principled where and when it's convenient for them. I didn't think principles were something that could be selectively applied. I'm sure they both appreciate that your doing their bidding though.
Fnoord 9y ago
> Similarly his Twitter profile shows he is the President at @FreedomofPress, yet he takes refuge in a country that that is one of the most deplorable in terms of media freedom. His destination wasn't Russia. He went from Hong Kong to Ecuador and got stuck in transit at Sheremetyevo International Airport because the US government revoked his password while he was flying from Hong Kong. Efforts to get him to Germany (with pardon) failed. As for media freedom in our Western so-called free world, look at what happened with news agency The Guardian, how they had to discard material which was in the interest of the general population of the UK and the world.

geofft 9y ago

> Similarly his Twitter profile shows he is the President at @FreedomofPress, yet he takes refuge in a country that that is one of the most deplorable in terms of media freedom. That's because we live in a world where there is no country that's good at media freedom. We have the US, which is interested in exposing Russia's crimes and hiding its own; Russia, which is interested in exposing the US's crimes and hiding its own, various somewhat less powerful countries that are effectively allied with one or the other, and various significantly less powerful countries that don't have the ability to anger either. What country do you think he should have taken refuge in?

bogomipz 9y ago
>"That's because we live in a world where there is no country that's good at media freedom" No, there's no shortage of countries that have good media freedom: https://rsf.org/en/ranking# https://rsf.org/en/ranking# >"We have the US, which is interested in exposing Russia's crimes and hiding its own; Russia, which is interested in exposing the US's crimes and hiding its own," Please name one crime that the US media hid from the American people? Everything and everyone in the US is fair game. >"What country do you think he should have taken refuge in?" That's not the point, the point is he emigrates to Putin's Russia and then becomes President at @FreedomofPress. And for a refresher on the state of media freedom in Russia: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23...
- Fnoord 9y ago
  > No, there's no shortage of countries that have good media freedom: https://rsf.org/en/ranking# https://rsf.org/en/ranking# Cute list, Sweden at #2, I suppose Assange should go to Sweden as well? What you say is completely and utterly irrelevant in the context where the United States of America would use extradition agreements to get Snowden back on US soil, for example by basing themselves on this ridiculous law [1]. Notwithstanding that Snowden did a service to the countries in your list. Germany did not pardon Snowden, so he didn't go there. Bottomline is, such a list is secondary to Snowden's personal freedom, his primary interest (don't confuse that with your lack of care about his personal freedom). His personal freedom is [somewhat] protected in Russia, but not in Sweden, Germany, or The Netherlands because the claw of the US government reaches that far. TL;DR he'd have been an utter idiot if he went to the EU. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917
  - bogomipz 9y ago
    Reporters Without Borders is a 35 year old non-profit institution that promotes and defends freedom of information and freedom of the press around. It's incredibly respected and has local watch-dog offices all over the world. Every time you are confronted with facts and you shift the focus to something else. Now you are discussing Julian Assange? But since you brought him up, he is another one who has taken up refuge in a country where censorship is rampant and press freedom is abysmal: https://knightcenter.utexas.edu/blog/00-17891-attacks-freedom-expression-ecuador-increase-due-application-communications-law-accordi https://knightcenter.utexas.edu/blog/00-17891-attacks-freedo... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Ecuador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Ecuador >"Bottomline is, such a list is secondary to Snowden's personal freedom," How very selective for both Snowden and Assange that being a pawn of corrupt regimes that have no respect for press freedoms is acceptable as long as you have another bogeyman to point at. So it's OK for them to condone the behavior of those governments provided that both of them are recipients of their favors? They are both principled where and when it's convenient for them. I didn't think principles were something that could be selectively applied. I'm sure they both appreciate that your doing their bidding though.

Fnoord 9y ago

> Similarly his Twitter profile shows he is the President at @FreedomofPress, yet he takes refuge in a country that that is one of the most deplorable in terms of media freedom. His destination wasn't Russia. He went from Hong Kong to Ecuador and got stuck in transit at Sheremetyevo International Airport because the US government revoked his password while he was flying from Hong Kong. Efforts to get him to Germany (with pardon) failed. As for media freedom in our Western so-called free world, look at what happened with news agency The Guardian, how they had to discard material which was in the interest of the general population of the UK and the world.