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The Constitutional Court hasn't ruled out yet. Just suspended it while they deliberate. That's why most of the actions taken have been ordered by the Attorney

The Constitutional Court hasn't ruled out yet. Just suspended it while they deliberate. That's why most of the actions taken have been ordered by the Attorney General and not a court... Because the ref is not illegal :)

euyyn 9y ago
Why would the TSJC judge be ordering things like taking apps and websites down, if the referendum weren't illegal?
- NetStrikeForce 9y ago
  Ask them about it :-) but I could guess their logic: - They don't want people to vote. - Maybe if it's suspended you should refrain from going on with it until there's a ruling. - They know what how they want the ruling to be, so they act like it was done already. They're just working on making it legally sound in the meanwhile. Choose whichever you prefer, all those are guesses. The fact is that there's no ruling and that's easily verifiable.
  - euyyn 9y ago
    Luckily all court orders in Spain (like in most or all western countries) are explicitly reasoned in the order itself, so there isn't a need to ask the judge or guess. The people getting served those orders can publish the legal reasoning given.
    - NetStrikeForce 9y ago
      Interestingly enough assemblea.cat's legal department has sent letters to the telcos because their site was blocked without a court order or any kind of notice. Also, some of the operations these days are not actually ordered by TSJC but by a separate judge using an old (almost forgotten) case: http://m.huffingtonpost.es/2017/09/20/el-juez-ha-ordenado-las-detenciones-y-registros-sin-que-lo-solicitara-la-guardia-civil-y-la-fiscalia-y-obviando-al-tsjc_a_23216427/ http://m.huffingtonpost.es/2017/09/20/el-juez-ha-ordenado-la... And during the first days of sites blocked no telco provided the court order they were in theory served. In fact, not all the telcos are blocking the sites. So yeah, western democracy and all that. It all smells incredibly fishy and ad-hoc.

euyyn 9y ago

Why would the TSJC judge be ordering things like taking apps and websites down, if the referendum weren't illegal?

NetStrikeForce 9y ago
Ask them about it :-) but I could guess their logic: - They don't want people to vote. - Maybe if it's suspended you should refrain from going on with it until there's a ruling. - They know what how they want the ruling to be, so they act like it was done already. They're just working on making it legally sound in the meanwhile. Choose whichever you prefer, all those are guesses. The fact is that there's no ruling and that's easily verifiable.
- euyyn 9y ago
  Luckily all court orders in Spain (like in most or all western countries) are explicitly reasoned in the order itself, so there isn't a need to ask the judge or guess. The people getting served those orders can publish the legal reasoning given.
  - NetStrikeForce 9y ago
    Interestingly enough assemblea.cat's legal department has sent letters to the telcos because their site was blocked without a court order or any kind of notice. Also, some of the operations these days are not actually ordered by TSJC but by a separate judge using an old (almost forgotten) case: http://m.huffingtonpost.es/2017/09/20/el-juez-ha-ordenado-las-detenciones-y-registros-sin-que-lo-solicitara-la-guardia-civil-y-la-fiscalia-y-obviando-al-tsjc_a_23216427/ http://m.huffingtonpost.es/2017/09/20/el-juez-ha-ordenado-la... And during the first days of sites blocked no telco provided the court order they were in theory served. In fact, not all the telcos are blocking the sites. So yeah, western democracy and all that. It all smells incredibly fishy and ad-hoc.