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They are targeting something that only exist in the drug haze filling the marketing and design offices. The same marketing that insisted that Mozilla shift the

They are targeting something that only exist in the drug haze filling the marketing and design offices. The same marketing that insisted that Mozilla shift their major version on every release, and that keep producing sugar coated videos for the most vapid of reasons. Face it, the FOSS world has become a bastion of champagne pimping social climbers that just want to add to their score card that they have worked on something with a "humanitarian" angle. On that note, i guess there is always the option of helping out with Palemoon before they go through with their planned rebase on a more recent Firefox release...

jd3 9y ago
Their marketing problem is, in my interpretation, based around the flawed mindset that you should treat users as non-technical cattle. This is the chrome way. The problem is, Mozilla has historically thrived off of the opposite - the 'hacker' mentality. The only reason Mozilla even exists is due primarily to Jamie Zawinski! I agree with your point about the shift in major version releases — this was another marketing ploy to 'catch up' to Chrome (who, for whatever reason, popularized the ridiculous practice of tagging releases with huge numbers). When it comes to add-ons, this bigger-is-better mindset/fallacy is one of the things that Mozilla touts about the ~2000 new web-extensions on AMO. What they fail to mention is how many of these are just utterly useless (or whose core functionality is bested by something like youtube-dl, mpv, using the dev tools, etc.). People don't want the highly limited feature-set provided by web-extensions, they want add-ons that integrate themselves deep into the browser internals (noscript), leverage the add-on sdk, or modify the browser chrome:// in some way. Edit: I cannot speak about the FOSS community as a whole (I only have experience in academia/government work), but from what I have read online about Mozilla's internal leadership, it currently seems like a difficult place to work if you legitimately care about these kinds of issues. As for Palemoon, (I have made this clear in previous posts on HN and reddit), but I generally consider that project to be less than a joke. It would take an absolutely herculean amount of time and energy to keep their feature-set even with Firefox while retaining all of the stuff that is being decimated from mozilla-central. It's never going to work. They should focus their attention on SeaMonkey (comm-central) instead of wasting their time.
- digi_owl 9y ago
  A mindset that is becoming more and more prevalent as FOSS projects gun for mainstream acceptance...
- digi_owl 9y ago
  Err, and as for focusing on Seamonkey i fear that ship has long since sailed. As best i can tell, Seamonkey today is a "thin" UI wrapper around whatever Firefox source Mozilla barfs out ever so often. They are even stripping out Seamonkey features just to get the thing to compile so they can actually produce a working binary.

jd3 9y ago

Their marketing problem is, in my interpretation, based around the flawed mindset that you should treat users as non-technical cattle. This is the chrome way. The problem is, Mozilla has historically thrived off of the opposite - the 'hacker' mentality. The only reason Mozilla even exists is due primarily to Jamie Zawinski! I agree with your point about the shift in major version releases — this was another marketing ploy to 'catch up' to Chrome (who, for whatever reason, popularized the ridiculous practice of tagging releases with huge numbers). When it comes to add-ons, this bigger-is-better mindset/fallacy is one of the things that Mozilla touts about the ~2000 new web-extensions on AMO. What they fail to mention is how many of these are just utterly useless (or whose core functionality is bested by something like youtube-dl, mpv, using the dev tools, etc.). People don't want the highly limited feature-set provided by web-extensions, they want add-ons that integrate themselves deep into the browser internals (noscript), leverage the add-on sdk, or modify the browser chrome:// in some way. Edit: I cannot speak about the FOSS community as a whole (I only have experience in academia/government work), but from what I have read online about Mozilla's internal leadership, it currently seems like a difficult place to work if you legitimately care about these kinds of issues. As for Palemoon, (I have made this clear in previous posts on HN and reddit), but I generally consider that project to be less than a joke. It would take an absolutely herculean amount of time and energy to keep their feature-set even with Firefox while retaining all of the stuff that is being decimated from mozilla-central. It's never going to work. They should focus their attention on SeaMonkey (comm-central) instead of wasting their time.

digi_owl 9y ago
A mindset that is becoming more and more prevalent as FOSS projects gun for mainstream acceptance...
digi_owl 9y ago
Err, and as for focusing on Seamonkey i fear that ship has long since sailed. As best i can tell, Seamonkey today is a "thin" UI wrapper around whatever Firefox source Mozilla barfs out ever so often. They are even stripping out Seamonkey features just to get the thing to compile so they can actually produce a working binary.