> but when ethnic subgroups attempt to seek independence non-violently it's not? I didn't say anything, just it is against the law and the constitution (the sa

> but when ethnic subgroups attempt to seek independence non-violently it's not? I didn't say anything, just it is against the law and the constitution (the same Catalans signed). The big issue is that there is no an open debate for this. There is only fight without arguments. It is not clear what type of independence they are fighting for but they want to make a binding vote. And the central government doesn't want even to talk about a possible secession. They use it to gain votes in the rest of Spain (but at the same time they made negotiations with independants to change the law). This is more about corruption. The same way "spread the democracy" is more about getting local resources.