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They have a lot of money in the bank. Donations are a drop in the bucket and I would even argue that there are other orgs that deserve your money more than Mozi

They have a lot of money in the bank. Donations are a drop in the bucket and I would even argue that there are other orgs that deserve your money more than Mozilla.

forapurpose 9y ago
> They have a lot of money in the bank. Donations are a drop in the bucket What is the basis for these statements? Mozilla's budget is far less than its competitors, Google, Apple, and Microsoft; I expect they could find good uses for a little more.
- fabrice_d 9y ago
  I was a Mozilla employee so I kind of know the numbers. The CEO is always claiming during the all hands that Mozilla's financial situation is better than ever.
- fabrice_d 9y ago
  Oh, and about finding good use for their money: they laid off excellent system platform engineers earlier this year, while keeping some failed execs on payroll. That tells a lot about what the priorities of the leadership are.
- cgag 9y ago
  They've got 1000+ employees (in 2015 at least). I don't imagine them having more money really helping anything. edit: in response to fabrice's comment about other orgs, checkout http://www.givewell.org/ http://www.givewell.org/
  - forapurpose 9y ago
    > They've got 1000+ employees (in 2015 at least). I don't imagine them having more money really helping anything. I don't follow that argument; the evidence seems inconclusive. That's not a lot of people for a software company developing multiple products (and in 2015 they still were developing FirefoxOS), including one as complex and fast-moving as a major web browser, as well as furthering other missions. Do you know how many work on Firefox, compared with Chrome, IE, and Safari? What are the budgets for the other browsers and for Firefox? That would be evidence that would be applicable.
mk89 9y ago
They don't share their reports since 2015 - basically when the contract with Google ended. Now, I don't think they are poor, but being a company that doesn't sell your data, doesn't show ads, etc... I mean, frankly, I think that such products are really hard to find nowadays. Their revenues come primarily by Google competitors (Yahoo, etc., which try to appear as default search engine).
- dblohm7 9y ago
  >They don't share their reports since 2015 - basically when the contract with Google ended. That's not true at all. The 2015 report was published at the end of 2016. Likewise, the 2016 report should be out by the end of the year.
  - mk89 9y ago
    It was not meant to diminish them, of course. It was a sort of weird argument against "they are rich already" - considering that their last report is dated to 2015, how do we know what happened in the last 1-2 years?

They have a lot of money in the bank. Donations are a drop in the bucket and I would even argue that there are other orgs that deserve your money more than Mozilla.

forapurpose 9y ago

> They have a lot of money in the bank. Donations are a drop in the bucket What is the basis for these statements? Mozilla's budget is far less than its competitors, Google, Apple, and Microsoft; I expect they could find good uses for a little more.

fabrice_d 9y ago
I was a Mozilla employee so I kind of know the numbers. The CEO is always claiming during the all hands that Mozilla's financial situation is better than ever.
fabrice_d 9y ago
Oh, and about finding good use for their money: they laid off excellent system platform engineers earlier this year, while keeping some failed execs on payroll. That tells a lot about what the priorities of the leadership are.
cgag 9y ago
They've got 1000+ employees (in 2015 at least). I don't imagine them having more money really helping anything. edit: in response to fabrice's comment about other orgs, checkout http://www.givewell.org/ http://www.givewell.org/
- forapurpose 9y ago
  > They've got 1000+ employees (in 2015 at least). I don't imagine them having more money really helping anything. I don't follow that argument; the evidence seems inconclusive. That's not a lot of people for a software company developing multiple products (and in 2015 they still were developing FirefoxOS), including one as complex and fast-moving as a major web browser, as well as furthering other missions. Do you know how many work on Firefox, compared with Chrome, IE, and Safari? What are the budgets for the other browsers and for Firefox? That would be evidence that would be applicable.

mk89 9y ago

They don't share their reports since 2015 - basically when the contract with Google ended. Now, I don't think they are poor, but being a company that doesn't sell your data, doesn't show ads, etc... I mean, frankly, I think that such products are really hard to find nowadays. Their revenues come primarily by Google competitors (Yahoo, etc., which try to appear as default search engine).

dblohm7 9y ago
>They don't share their reports since 2015 - basically when the contract with Google ended. That's not true at all. The 2015 report was published at the end of 2016. Likewise, the 2016 report should be out by the end of the year.
- mk89 9y ago
  It was not meant to diminish them, of course. It was a sort of weird argument against "they are rich already" - considering that their last report is dated to 2015, how do we know what happened in the last 1-2 years?