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I'd be interested in any way to help out too. As part of the Scottish independence movement, our Catalonian counterparts are comrades & allies. Other than solid

• lottin 9y ago
  Just expressing your solidarity is more than enough. It seems silly but it really gives us strength and determination.
  • KuiN 9y ago
    Radical Independence Scotland and friends will be outside the Spanish embassy in Edinburgh, all of Sunday; we absolutely support your right to self determination as the Catalans did during our recent bids for independence. Solidarity, comrade.
• gerdesj 9y ago
  Its a funny old world mate (I'm English) and I despise seeing censorship like this. I will also see what I can find in my toy box to assist Catalunya in expressing themselves democratically. (I would rather GB stayed in one piece but if push came to shove, I'd probably do the same here in similar circumstances - there is no excuse for this heavy handed nonsense)
  • KuiN 9y ago
    It's not often I find myself agreeing with a UK unionist but it's a point of honour that the Scottish referendum 2014 passed off largely as an orderly point of democracy. Westminster is often seen as heavy-handed North of the border but everyone is proud of that expression of democracy (however there are still words to be had about subsequent political events!).
    • petre 9y ago
      At least the UK gov't wasn't banning Scottish referendum websites.
      • neoscott 9y ago
        Because was a legal referendum from the UK government, it's very different with the Catalonia referendum
        • morgante 9y ago
          The notion of a referendum being "illegal" is farcical. No democracy should prohibit people from deciding to get together and conduct a poll on something.
          • neoscott 9y ago
            The same people that are doing the referedum seized with the police ballot boxes and ballots for a vote in 2013
          • dane-pgp 9y ago
            The idea of a referendum being "illegal" may be counter-intuitive, but I don't think the situation is as simple as you suggest. For example, secession (not to mention sedition or treason) is illegal in many jurisdictions, and is a natural thing for sovereign countries to want to prevent. It is also natural for the sovereign central government of a country to put limits on what a regional government can and cannot do, with the usual principle being that the regional government cannot do anything outside of the powers specifically given it by the central government (regardless of what powers the inhabitants of that region want). You're right that "people" could "get together and conduct a poll on something", but if this was informally conducted it would be hard to prevent double voting, and not accidentally disenfranchising certain people, and there would be little recourse against these self-appointed pollsters stuffing their home-made ballot boxes. At the same time, if a regional government spent money, or used people's personal information, for a purpose they were not legally permitted to, then those would potentially be crimes themselves, regardless of the issue of secession. The questions worth debating are "How much autonomy should regions of sovereign countries be given?", and "If a region isn't legally given that much autonomy, what is most peaceful and just means for that region to attain it?"
  • enriquto 9y ago
    many thanks to both of you! it's reassuring to see there's still civilized people out there!