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They don't contribute, they have an independent economic system which comes from ancient times. Basque Country and Navarra have this privilege.

mrighele 9y ago
Is that relevant when we talk about GDP ? Even if little money flows from Barcelona to the central government (I don't know if this is or is not the case, since I don't live in Spain), that shouldn't make a difference, since "GDP measures the monetary value of final goods and services - that is, those that are bought by the final user - produced in a country in a given period of time (say a quarter or a year)."[1] Maybe you were thinking about taxes ? [1] "http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/basics/gdp.htm" http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/basics/gdp.htm"
- NetStrikeForce 9y ago
  There are 16 billion per year going from Catalonia to Spain without return. But not only that, the centralisation of government powers and agencies have created a problem where many big companies have to be in Madrid even if most their operations are in other parts of the country. That makes their taxes to be paid in Madrid instead of e.g. Valencia, Bilbao or Barcelona. The amount of taxes lost because of this is HUGE and much worse than the 16 billion per year above. An independence would bring back 100% of the former and a good chunk of the latter. Hopefully that would help Catalonia grow at the pace its economy can and then it should be able to contribute back to Europe much more than now. Contributions have to be sustainable. Edit: This comment is now at -1. Please argue instead of downvoting. You're acting against HN's rules.
  - elecbit 9y ago
    CNI (Centro Nacional de Inteligencia), like CIA in Spain, is working a lot to hide this comments and arguments. You can see a lot of comments which are the same speech as Partido Popular. In the Catalan media they appear in waves, polluting all the comments and making the discussion unbearable. They are also holding cyberatacks to the Catalan News Agency so we cannot inform outside. They have also closed aerial space, so drones cannot fly and take pictures of massive demonstrations tomorrow if we cannot vote. Google censors an app from Google Play which was telling people where to vote, after Spanish court forces it: https://twitter.com/thespainreport/status/913798991539777537 https://twitter.com/thespainreport/status/913798991539777537 https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/913812096319737857 https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/913812096319737857 And more geopolitical info: https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/913920102411718656 https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/913920102411718656 Tech people in the world: Please help us and spread the word!
  - fasouto 9y ago
    Just curious, do you have a reliable source for the 16 billion per year?
    - gotbeans 9y ago
      Pf I know it's media based (so yeah... take the "reliable" part of it with a grain of salt... or handful maybe) http://www.expansion.com/economia/2017/09/29/59cd50b8ca47412c6d8b45c1.html http://www.expansion.com/economia/2017/09/29/59cd50b8ca47412...
      - fasouto 9y ago
        Sorry but the text says that it's in the range [1000,16000].

mrighele 9y ago

Is that relevant when we talk about GDP ? Even if little money flows from Barcelona to the central government (I don't know if this is or is not the case, since I don't live in Spain), that shouldn't make a difference, since "GDP measures the monetary value of final goods and services - that is, those that are bought by the final user - produced in a country in a given period of time (say a quarter or a year)."[1] Maybe you were thinking about taxes ? [1] "http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/basics/gdp.htm" http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/basics/gdp.htm"

NetStrikeForce 9y ago
There are 16 billion per year going from Catalonia to Spain without return. But not only that, the centralisation of government powers and agencies have created a problem where many big companies have to be in Madrid even if most their operations are in other parts of the country. That makes their taxes to be paid in Madrid instead of e.g. Valencia, Bilbao or Barcelona. The amount of taxes lost because of this is HUGE and much worse than the 16 billion per year above. An independence would bring back 100% of the former and a good chunk of the latter. Hopefully that would help Catalonia grow at the pace its economy can and then it should be able to contribute back to Europe much more than now. Contributions have to be sustainable. Edit: This comment is now at -1. Please argue instead of downvoting. You're acting against HN's rules.
- elecbit 9y ago
  CNI (Centro Nacional de Inteligencia), like CIA in Spain, is working a lot to hide this comments and arguments. You can see a lot of comments which are the same speech as Partido Popular. In the Catalan media they appear in waves, polluting all the comments and making the discussion unbearable. They are also holding cyberatacks to the Catalan News Agency so we cannot inform outside. They have also closed aerial space, so drones cannot fly and take pictures of massive demonstrations tomorrow if we cannot vote. Google censors an app from Google Play which was telling people where to vote, after Spanish court forces it: https://twitter.com/thespainreport/status/913798991539777537 https://twitter.com/thespainreport/status/913798991539777537 https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/913812096319737857 https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/913812096319737857 And more geopolitical info: https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/913920102411718656 https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/913920102411718656 Tech people in the world: Please help us and spread the word!
- fasouto 9y ago
  Just curious, do you have a reliable source for the 16 billion per year?
  - gotbeans 9y ago
    Pf I know it's media based (so yeah... take the "reliable" part of it with a grain of salt... or handful maybe) http://www.expansion.com/economia/2017/09/29/59cd50b8ca47412c6d8b45c1.html http://www.expansion.com/economia/2017/09/29/59cd50b8ca47412...
    - fasouto 9y ago
      Sorry but the text says that it's in the range [1000,16000].