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That's not correct. In mother tongue terms, 55% of population in Catalonia has the Spanish as his tongue (mother/habitual tongue), and 35% Catalan. The "economi
by faragon 9y ago
That's not correct. In mother tongue terms, 55% of population in Catalonia has the Spanish as his tongue (mother/habitual tongue), and 35% Catalan. The "economic power" is in hands of Catalan-"ethnic" people, though. Source (official): https://www.idescat.cat/pub/?id=ed&lang=en https://www.idescat.cat/pub/?id=ed&lang=en
"The first casualty when war comes is truth".
- icebraining 9y ago55% of population has Spanish as their mother tongue, but that's not necessarily what they speak now. Is there any poll showing what they actually speak daily?
- faragon 9y ago55% mother/habitual tongue. In the above link (official data, from an official source) is explained in detail.
- icebraining 9y agomother/habitual This is not the same thing. My mother tongue is not my (current) habitual tongue. I don't see where the report shows the habitual tongue spoken.
- faragon 9y agoIt is explained in the above (official) link.
- icebraining 9y agoLike I said, I've read the above official link. Multiple times, by now. Nowhere do I see a reference to the habitual language. Only to the Primera Llengua, which is Llengua o llengües que la persona ha parlat primer a casa seva. Es considera que aquesta llengua ha estat transmesa familiarment i adquirida en el procés de socialització de l'individu. This is not the habitual language. So, where is it?
- faragon 9y agoThe above official link has many sections. Here is the link for the official language poll ("Enquesta d’usos lingüístics de la població 2008"), which includes mother-initial/identification/habitual language details (official data): http://www.idescat.cat/cat/idescat/publicacions/cataleg/pdfdocs/eulp2008.pdf http://www.idescat.cat/cat/idescat/publicacions/cataleg/pdfd... "Initial language" (page 45): Catalan: 31.6%, Spanish: 55%. "Identification language" (page 48): Catalan: 37.2%, Spanish: 46.5% "Habitual language" (page 51): Catalan: 35.6%, Spanish: 45.9% Edit: in my first comment in this thread I spoke from memory. Also, the data from the 2013 poll (official data): https://www.idescat.cat/cat/idescat/publicacions/cataleg/pdfdocs/eulp2013.pdf https://www.idescat.cat/cat/idescat/publicacions/cataleg/pdf... "Initial language" (page 45): Catalan: 31%, Spanish: 55.1%. "Identification language" (page 46): Catalan: 36.4%, Spanish: 47.5%. "Habitual language" (page 49): Catalan: 36.3%, Spanish: 50.7%.
- icebraining 9y agoThank you! EDIT: Seems like that's the old poll. There's a new one from 2013, in which both Catalan and Spanish grew as the habitual languages. It still doesn't reach 55%, though.
- bmelton 9y agoIf I'm recalling correctly from NPR this morning, nearly 100% of Catalan people under the age of 40 speak Catalan, while very few over the age of 40 do. This is the result of the language having been made illegal, then not illegal, then taught predominately by the school systems. Is it possible the 55% who speak Spanish primarily fall along those demographic lines? Is it also possible that some portion of that 55% speaks both Spanish and Catalan? Sincere question. I know very little of the situation.
- faragon 9y agoI don't want to discuss politics, there is data in the same (official) web I pointed in the above comment.
- Javimoreno 9y ago100% of us speak Spanish and actually it's very common to use both languages in a conversation when more than two persons are involved :) it's just natural for most of us. Actually I learned Catalan when I was 18 so I usually speak in Spanish and it is not a problem at all... And I'm very proud of being bilingual. In any case I would love to be able to express better myself in English :)
- abrowne 9y agoYou expressed yourself very well in English in your comment!
- gerdesj 9y ago(anecdote) That precisely describes my personal experience of people in BCN and BDN, at least as a foreigner that keeps coming back as a tourist. I also have a friend who has been teaching English as a Foreign Language in BCN for at least a decade now, and he and his wife tell a similar story. "In any case I would love to be able to express better myself in English" - you already have a fluent grasp of English. You spelt it's with an apostrophe which is spot on and come across as a native writer - for a given value of "native" 8) Good skills mate.
- Oletros 9y agoWhat has to do your answer with what the OP has said?