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They say the vote is binding, so if they get more than 50% they will start the secession.

by jorgemf 9y ago

ryanlol 9y ago
That's cool and all, but you still aren't carrying out the secession by voting for it.
- jorgemf 9y ago
  They do have an action plan and they tried before and people was put in jail because of this. It is a vote for secession organized unilaterally by some Catalans. You want to separate from the rest of the country, them make an open dialog, explain what exactly do you want, negotiate with the central government and ask to the population. Not what they are doing right now. I find it very stupid (for both sides, because it is the others side faults too)
  - ithkuil 9y ago
    I honestly don't understand how can one be at the same time afraid that a vote is won by a majority (possibly involving a quorum as many referendums do) and at the same time point out that it's organized by a minority. Clearly the definition of who should decide these matters is crucial: at one side some people believe that it's a local matter: Catalans should chose. In the other hand, others think that that since this affects the rest of Spain, all Spaniards should have a say. Only in this context is clear how a (possible) majority of Catalans can still be considered a minority in a broader scope. The issue of sovereignty is central but somewhat arbitrary if you think: imagine that before/during the brexit referendum the rest of the European population (or at least Brits living abroad, ehm) were asked if Britain was allowed to leave. After all, it was something that in a way or another could have affected them, right? But no, it's "obviously" not the same, because "countries" and the illusion of well defined borders between ethnicities and political entities. We grown so used to it, but one should not forget how this bond has been applied through force and coercion.
    - jorgemf 9y ago
      I think the problem is that the binding referendum is not about the independence of the Catalans, but it is more related to the politic corruption and fights among politics. Otherwise there would have been an open debate in the whole country, but a lot of politics stopped it to happen (in both sides).

They say the vote is binding, so if they get more than 50% they will start the secession.

ryanlol 9y ago

That's cool and all, but you still aren't carrying out the secession by voting for it.

jorgemf 9y ago
They do have an action plan and they tried before and people was put in jail because of this. It is a vote for secession organized unilaterally by some Catalans. You want to separate from the rest of the country, them make an open dialog, explain what exactly do you want, negotiate with the central government and ask to the population. Not what they are doing right now. I find it very stupid (for both sides, because it is the others side faults too)
- ithkuil 9y ago
  I honestly don't understand how can one be at the same time afraid that a vote is won by a majority (possibly involving a quorum as many referendums do) and at the same time point out that it's organized by a minority. Clearly the definition of who should decide these matters is crucial: at one side some people believe that it's a local matter: Catalans should chose. In the other hand, others think that that since this affects the rest of Spain, all Spaniards should have a say. Only in this context is clear how a (possible) majority of Catalans can still be considered a minority in a broader scope. The issue of sovereignty is central but somewhat arbitrary if you think: imagine that before/during the brexit referendum the rest of the European population (or at least Brits living abroad, ehm) were asked if Britain was allowed to leave. After all, it was something that in a way or another could have affected them, right? But no, it's "obviously" not the same, because "countries" and the illusion of well defined borders between ethnicities and political entities. We grown so used to it, but one should not forget how this bond has been applied through force and coercion.
  - jorgemf 9y ago
    I think the problem is that the binding referendum is not about the independence of the Catalans, but it is more related to the politic corruption and fights among politics. Otherwise there would have been an open debate in the whole country, but a lot of politics stopped it to happen (in both sides).