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Nationalism is okay if the nation is being oppressed (and are somewhat non violent) see Scottish nationalism, Catalan nationalism, and later in this sub-thread

Nationalism is okay if the nation is being oppressed (and are somewhat non violent) see Scottish nationalism, Catalan nationalism, and later in this sub-thread about a Russian situation. Tribal and group identity is welcomed and defended if those in that group are at risk. I'm in agreement that tribal and group thinking is bad, and I'm also possibly in disagreement because I see that there is also oppression and marginalisation of groups by other groups. I'm not sure what the solution is apart from talking about this clearly.

dqpb 9y ago
Nationalism is okay if the nation is being oppressed Define "is ok"
- x220 9y ago
  If you are being oppressed based on ethnicity, it is fine to band together based on ethnicity to secure your rights.
- dqpb 9y ago
  Downvoted... Can someone point me to the HN guideline that forbids requesting an OP to clarify what they are saying? - is ok legally - is ok morally - is ok politically - is ok strategically - is ok accord me - is ok according to most people - is ok according to the opposition Tribal and group identity is welcomed and defended if those in that group are at risk. Welcomed by who? - welcomed by me - welcomed by everyone else in that group - welcomed by everyone outside of that group - welcomed by some people outside of that group What are you even saying? Is this a personal manifesto? Is this alluding to some sociological principal, political philosophy, statistic poll? For a forum geared towards engineers, the quality of thinking here on HN is depressingly low.
  - hacking_again 9y ago
    IMO, your original comment is too brief, reading as antagonistic. You weren't just politely asking for clarification along with an expression of your understanding. And anyway, they're just internet points, who cares. I throw my account away when I get to 100, keeps me from getting worked up about it.
gaius 9y ago
see Scottish nationalism The original terms of the Union - England paying off Scotland's debts - and in modern times the Barnett Formula, the West Lothian question, the Blair/Brown government, show that far from the shrill claims of the SNP Scotland has done and continues to do very, very well from being in the UK - far better than England does in fact.

dqpb 9y ago

Nationalism is okay if the nation is being oppressed Define "is ok"

x220 9y ago
If you are being oppressed based on ethnicity, it is fine to band together based on ethnicity to secure your rights.
dqpb 9y ago
Downvoted... Can someone point me to the HN guideline that forbids requesting an OP to clarify what they are saying? - is ok legally - is ok morally - is ok politically - is ok strategically - is ok accord me - is ok according to most people - is ok according to the opposition Tribal and group identity is welcomed and defended if those in that group are at risk. Welcomed by who? - welcomed by me - welcomed by everyone else in that group - welcomed by everyone outside of that group - welcomed by some people outside of that group What are you even saying? Is this a personal manifesto? Is this alluding to some sociological principal, political philosophy, statistic poll? For a forum geared towards engineers, the quality of thinking here on HN is depressingly low.
- hacking_again 9y ago
  IMO, your original comment is too brief, reading as antagonistic. You weren't just politely asking for clarification along with an expression of your understanding. And anyway, they're just internet points, who cares. I throw my account away when I get to 100, keeps me from getting worked up about it.

gaius 9y ago

see Scottish nationalism The original terms of the Union - England paying off Scotland's debts - and in modern times the Barnett Formula, the West Lothian question, the Blair/Brown government, show that far from the shrill claims of the SNP Scotland has done and continues to do very, very well from being in the UK - far better than England does in fact.