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>This is not a reasoned argument against the parent's argument. FYI the parent comment was not reasoned argument either. The notion of relation between educati

by 0xFFC 9y ago

>This is not a reasoned argument against the parent's argument. FYI the parent comment was not reasoned argument either. The notion of relation between education and IQ is questionable. >It's actually a pretty decent explanation. No it is not at all. Since it requires rigorous calculation and estimation of how much immigrants have come, what is their average IQ, how much drop we see in population and so many questions. This is what “pointing finger without any evidence” looks like. I don’t understand why you would consider your approach scientific when I am the one basically asking and questioning all the moving parts.

coldtea 9y ago
>FYI the parent comment was not reasoned argument either. The notion of relation between education and IQ is questionable. Questionable based on ethical considerations is not the same as non-rational. It's a very logical thing to consider. A mechanism for example would be that people with higher IQ also tend to succeed in completing more higher education degrees. The inverse is also possible, and it's also a perfectly valid thing to suggest and study. In fact it's studied e.g. in this paper: http://www.pnas.org/content/109/2/425.full.pdf http://www.pnas.org/content/109/2/425.full.pdf >No it is not at all. Since it requires rigorous calculation and estimation of how much immigrants have come, what is their average IQ, how much drop we see in population and so many questions. That's what's required to get a full result. It's not however required for merely putting forward the argument as a possible explanation, or for judging whether the argument is rational or not. It seems that your concerns are more tied to a priori axioms and emotional resistance than actual methodological issues in the questions.
- 0xFFC 9y ago
  >It's not however required for merely putting forward the argument as a possible explanation, or for judging whether the argument is rational or not. This is the difference between you and me. Before putting an argument forward I would evaluate it or at least calculate it a little bit! >It seems that your concerns are more tied to a priori axioms and emotional resistance than actual methodological issues in the questions. Why would you say that? The only thing i wanted was a little bit evidence and calculation! And it is funny in your nonsense world I am the emotional one here!
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >This is the difference between you and me. Before putting an argument forward I would evaluate it or at least calculate it a little bit! Did this difference emerge very recently? Because for someone who claims that, it seems bizarre that you entered this thread by stating: "Let me ask you how many of immigrants are grad students or people with high tech jobs?" How is that more "evaluated" or "at least calculated" that what the parent wrote? Where were the numbers that go with this? You then went on to give non-arguments combined with non-facts: "Is it one of the stupidest thing to say drop in IQ is connected to immigrants!" And on with the non-arguments + non-facts: "It is greatly disappointing to see this kind of nonsense in HN which is kind of home for many hackers and programmers. Hearing these kind of stupid ideas in C-Span? Who cares? But HN, that shows how low our societies has become."
    - 0xFFC 9y ago
      Do you understand this is a question : "Let me ask you how many of immigrants are grad students or people with high tech jobs?" or not? And asking question or pointing calculation flow in one argument has nothing to do with evaluating your idea before puting forward. Seriously, Why do you keep repeating yourself!

by 0xFFC 9y ago

coldtea 9y ago

>FYI the parent comment was not reasoned argument either. The notion of relation between education and IQ is questionable. Questionable based on ethical considerations is not the same as non-rational. It's a very logical thing to consider. A mechanism for example would be that people with higher IQ also tend to succeed in completing more higher education degrees. The inverse is also possible, and it's also a perfectly valid thing to suggest and study. In fact it's studied e.g. in this paper: http://www.pnas.org/content/109/2/425.full.pdf http://www.pnas.org/content/109/2/425.full.pdf >No it is not at all. Since it requires rigorous calculation and estimation of how much immigrants have come, what is their average IQ, how much drop we see in population and so many questions. That's what's required to get a full result. It's not however required for merely putting forward the argument as a possible explanation, or for judging whether the argument is rational or not. It seems that your concerns are more tied to a priori axioms and emotional resistance than actual methodological issues in the questions.

0xFFC 9y ago
>It's not however required for merely putting forward the argument as a possible explanation, or for judging whether the argument is rational or not. This is the difference between you and me. Before putting an argument forward I would evaluate it or at least calculate it a little bit! >It seems that your concerns are more tied to a priori axioms and emotional resistance than actual methodological issues in the questions. Why would you say that? The only thing i wanted was a little bit evidence and calculation! And it is funny in your nonsense world I am the emotional one here!
- coldtea 9y ago
  >This is the difference between you and me. Before putting an argument forward I would evaluate it or at least calculate it a little bit! Did this difference emerge very recently? Because for someone who claims that, it seems bizarre that you entered this thread by stating: "Let me ask you how many of immigrants are grad students or people with high tech jobs?" How is that more "evaluated" or "at least calculated" that what the parent wrote? Where were the numbers that go with this? You then went on to give non-arguments combined with non-facts: "Is it one of the stupidest thing to say drop in IQ is connected to immigrants!" And on with the non-arguments + non-facts: "It is greatly disappointing to see this kind of nonsense in HN which is kind of home for many hackers and programmers. Hearing these kind of stupid ideas in C-Span? Who cares? But HN, that shows how low our societies has become."
  - 0xFFC 9y ago
    Do you understand this is a question : "Let me ask you how many of immigrants are grad students or people with high tech jobs?" or not? And asking question or pointing calculation flow in one argument has nothing to do with evaluating your idea before puting forward. Seriously, Why do you keep repeating yourself!