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It's an interesting idea that roads are what they are due to a vehicle that most drivers despise being in their way. What is more interesting it that designing
by awjr 9y ago
It's an interesting idea that roads are what they are due to a vehicle that most drivers despise being in their way.
What is more interesting it that designing 'out' the bicycle from the road is a relatively recent thing. In the 1930s if you wanted to build a major road in the UK you had to provide separate cycle tracks https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/may/09/how-80-forgotten-1930s-cycleways-could-transform-uk-cycling https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/may/0...
More interesting is that the attitude of motorists had developed to be anti-cyclist by the 1950s https://twitter.com/MartinPorter6/status/912717455503642624 https://twitter.com/MartinPorter6/status/912717455503642624
Yet one western country currently sits at 10% obesity and is estimated to go down to 8.5% by 2030. The Netherlands. Given the UK will be at 35% obesity by 2030, 27.5% now, the implication is that the UK's transport policies are going to be responsible for 75% of obesity by 2030.
I recently did some analysis of travel methods from the 2011 Census looking at 112 cities and towns in the UK. 6M drive to work, 2.5M live within 5km of work (20 minute bike ride), 1M live within 2km of work, a 20 minute walk.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nDCkK0LvkxqHLeYfd6wSwaoHLY2eO_49Rf7TDWmUQG0/edit#gid=2077029085 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nDCkK0LvkxqHLeYfd6wS...
Now we could berate these commuters, but those people honestly feel they may have no choice and also include some with disabilities. We can talk about 'forcing' people out of cars, but unless we redesign our road space to provide good cycle networks, what do we expect people to do?
The canary in the mine is how many kids cycle to school in your area. There is a school in Oxford, UK, where 60% of kids cycle to school. They have traffic free routes into their communities.
More interestingly is that Highways England has now recognised you cannot share space safely between vehicles with very different speed profiles and developed design standards for delivering better road networks that support walking, cycling, and driving.
http://www.standardsforhighways.co.uk/ha/standards/ians/pdfs/ian195.pdf http://www.standardsforhighways.co.uk/ha/standards/ians/pdfs...
If you want people to not drive, you have to give them really good active travel choices that enable people to make that choice of their own volition. If an 8 year old kid can cycle to school on their own and the parent can see that the kid will be safe all the way, you have yourself a great area to live.
- ljf 9y agoIndeed - the number of educated people who believe there was a 'car tax' that paid for the road was outstanding. Until recently nearly all taxation went into a central pot and was allocated from there. Sadly this is now changing which I think will further drive the sense of 'ownership of the road' that many drivers have.
- taeric 9y agoIt boggles my mind how places have set up toll roads, and then somehow negotiate the tolls to a third party. Just, why!? (Alternatively, someone please educate me on how what I think I "know" there is false. Thanks! :) )
- senectus1 9y agothe idea is that an enterprising private company can manage costs and deliver services at a lower cost than a Gov run one. Not really sure i 100% agree, but I suspect that oversite would be better with a Gov run Toll
- taeric 9y agoThat idea sounds fine, absent all of the evidence I've heard of where the vast majority of the toll money is going outside of the city where the toll road is. I suppose taxes aren't much different, in that most go somewhere else. But, at least with taxes you can see a money stream back to the city and argue it up. With it going to a private company, you are sorta screwed.
- u801e 9y agoExcept for the fact that the cost of collecting tolls exceeds the cost of collecting a tax on fuel [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13817279 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13817279
- Steltek 9y agoTolls achive more than just crudely approximating a car's impact to the road system. Tolls can influence traffic behavior and congestion; which I'd guess is the point of that LA article. Also, I'm curious how those costs look when you have open road tolling, as recently implemented in Massachusetts. No toll takers, just cameras, computers, and a call center "somewhere".