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Everyone fawns about it and it sounds like an awesome novel, but I've tried reading it three times and every time I can't get past the fact that the hero (the p

Everyone fawns about it and it sounds like an awesome novel, but I've tried reading it three times and every time I can't get past the fact that the hero (the protagonist, if you will) is literally named Hiro Protagonist. I know it's supposed to be funny, but after my eyes see those words five or six times, I can't do it anymore. Maybe Neal was the first, maybe he does it best, but I've read too much shitty sci-fi where heavy-handed slaps to the face like that are far too common, and it really ruins any plot the book gets going for me. I have a hard time reading the book when I'm imagining the author's shit-eating grin as he wrote it. I'm sure it's an awesome book, but I really need a copy where someone did a find-and-replace and changed the hero's name to something other than Hiro.

csours 9y ago
Would it help if you thought of it as a pseudonym?
acheron 9y ago
YT: "Stupid name." Hiro: "But you'll never forget it."
amcca029 9y ago
Try listening to the audiobook instead.
roryisok 9y ago
1. Buy the book 2. Download an epub from somewhere 3. Open it up in an epub editor 4. Find / replace!
a_c_s 9y ago
I was excited by Snowcrash (the first chapter is awesome) but the plot kind of dissolves into a lukewarm mush by the end. AFAIK, people tend to love Snowcrash for the ideas and the world building rather than the plot.
- ethbro 9y ago
  Granted. And I certainly think Stephenson is the weaker of the names I'm about to mention. But I don't exactly remember stellar plots from Gibson (earlier works) or Ridley Scott either. The cyberpunk-influenced genre is essentially defined by everyday troubles, draped with techno-decoration. Personally, that's one of the reasons I like it. The fusion of slice-of-life pedestrianism w/ in medias res pacing always came across as more believable than any grand opera. Statistically, significantly rare interesting events are far more likely to happen to a janitor than the King / Queen of the Universe.
- jldugger 9y ago
  IIRC, the reason the first chapter is so much better is that it started out as a comic book. After that peters out, he sorta falls back into long exposition with librarian AIs. Perhaps some day, story boarding will be a required part of Stephensen's novel writing process.
steanne 9y ago
Hiroaki.
abecedarius 9y ago
I thought it was characterization: the character probably picked that name for himself, like Da5id.
ethbro 9y ago
Your problem with a book that begins with high speed pizza delivery by a coder-ninja into a fortified corporate suburb on behalf of a mafioso pizza company... is that the protagonist is named Hiro Protagonist? I would have expected suspension of disbelief to have been broken somewhat earlier, if that's an issue.
- falsedan 9y ago
  Sometimes the terrible writing is what breaks the suspension of disbelief.
  - freehunter 9y ago
    Very true. I read the Mistborn series and absolutely loved every minute of it, so I picked up The Way of Kings thinking I like Brandon Sanderson and it's a popular book of his. I didn't make it past the second chapter because the story demands I memorize dozens of ridiculous names, made-up words, magical objects, and fictional cities right off the bat. Suspending disbelief is not the problem. The problem is when the author writes something so unbelievable that there's never a chance to suspend. It's all disbelief, all the time. Again maybe I'm ruined by years of reading bad sci-fi and fantasy, maybe I would have been better off if I read it 20 years ago. But Snowcrash and The Way of Kings both start their story with all of the hallmarks of every awful book I've ever read. I'm sure the durian fruit tastes great, but unfortunately I've smelled a dumpster before and now durian is ruined to me forever.
    - pavel_lishin 9y ago
      > I didn't make it past the second chapter because the story demands I memorize dozens of ridiculous names, made-up words, magical objects, and fictional cities right off the bat. Is that a requirement for that book? Stephenson's Anathem starts off with a word-dump full of vocabulary that you as the reader will not know, but everything slowly becomes clearer. On the other hand, I gave up on Stephenson's Baroque Cycle for much the same reason you mention.
      - 9y ago
DanBC 9y ago
I read it when it came out and I enjoyed it then. It had some neat ideas (about online communities and how people would use them; CIC Earth; etc) but really it's just a book and it's okay to not like it for any reason. Also, it's 25 years old now, and some of it hasn't aged well. I do remember disliking the hyperbole of exaggeration (In a few of his early books) - the fractal heatsink, the sharpness of the obsidian blade, the politeness of the tea, etc. http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=843 http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=843
celticninja 9y ago
Ok freehunter ;)
- freehunter 9y ago
  Hell I'm not even the hero of my own story, let alone a massively popular sci-fi novel :)
starrychloe 9y ago
It's meta - breaking the 4th wall - breaking your suspension of disbelief. Rick & Morty do it all the time. Kind of cheesy, but not a big problem, especially on audio book. I hope they rename the character too.
- pavel_lishin 9y ago
  Yeah, and make him a white guy. YT can age 10 years and become a romantic interest. Change Raven into a Chinese character, add in a subplot about Bitcoin, remove the motorcycle stuff, maybe move the setting of the Raft to something easier to film - like outskirts of LA...
  - Animats 9y ago
    Bleah. Chloë Grace Moretz ("Hit Girl") would make a great YT. She's convincing as a snarky tough girl. The Raft would be quite do-able. After all, there was Waterworld. (I met the guy who did the Softimage water shader for that. It worked out much better for him when he did the water shader for Titanic.) Worn-out ships are easily available. Chase scenes in open water are easier than ones near land, and you can add all the background ships in CGI. There are ways to get the cost down. Watch this trailer for the Blade Runner remake.[1] Nothing expensive there, except old Harrison Ford. A smoke and fog world brings the costs down. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T2b0mp2hco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T2b0mp2hco
    - pavel_lishin 9y ago
      I'm being sarcastic at someone's suggestion that Hiro's name ought to be changed. I'm not actually suggesting any of this happen; it would be a travesty.

csours 9y ago

Would it help if you thought of it as a pseudonym?

acheron 9y ago

YT: "Stupid name." Hiro: "But you'll never forget it."

amcca029 9y ago

Try listening to the audiobook instead.

roryisok 9y ago

1. Buy the book 2. Download an epub from somewhere 3. Open it up in an epub editor 4. Find / replace!

a_c_s 9y ago

I was excited by Snowcrash (the first chapter is awesome) but the plot kind of dissolves into a lukewarm mush by the end. AFAIK, people tend to love Snowcrash for the ideas and the world building rather than the plot.

ethbro 9y ago
Granted. And I certainly think Stephenson is the weaker of the names I'm about to mention. But I don't exactly remember stellar plots from Gibson (earlier works) or Ridley Scott either. The cyberpunk-influenced genre is essentially defined by everyday troubles, draped with techno-decoration. Personally, that's one of the reasons I like it. The fusion of slice-of-life pedestrianism w/ in medias res pacing always came across as more believable than any grand opera. Statistically, significantly rare interesting events are far more likely to happen to a janitor than the King / Queen of the Universe.
jldugger 9y ago
IIRC, the reason the first chapter is so much better is that it started out as a comic book. After that peters out, he sorta falls back into long exposition with librarian AIs. Perhaps some day, story boarding will be a required part of Stephensen's novel writing process.

steanne 9y ago

Hiroaki.

abecedarius 9y ago

I thought it was characterization: the character probably picked that name for himself, like Da5id.

ethbro 9y ago

Your problem with a book that begins with high speed pizza delivery by a coder-ninja into a fortified corporate suburb on behalf of a mafioso pizza company... is that the protagonist is named Hiro Protagonist? I would have expected suspension of disbelief to have been broken somewhat earlier, if that's an issue.

falsedan 9y ago
Sometimes the terrible writing is what breaks the suspension of disbelief.
- freehunter 9y ago
  Very true. I read the Mistborn series and absolutely loved every minute of it, so I picked up The Way of Kings thinking I like Brandon Sanderson and it's a popular book of his. I didn't make it past the second chapter because the story demands I memorize dozens of ridiculous names, made-up words, magical objects, and fictional cities right off the bat. Suspending disbelief is not the problem. The problem is when the author writes something so unbelievable that there's never a chance to suspend. It's all disbelief, all the time. Again maybe I'm ruined by years of reading bad sci-fi and fantasy, maybe I would have been better off if I read it 20 years ago. But Snowcrash and The Way of Kings both start their story with all of the hallmarks of every awful book I've ever read. I'm sure the durian fruit tastes great, but unfortunately I've smelled a dumpster before and now durian is ruined to me forever.
  - pavel_lishin 9y ago
    > I didn't make it past the second chapter because the story demands I memorize dozens of ridiculous names, made-up words, magical objects, and fictional cities right off the bat. Is that a requirement for that book? Stephenson's Anathem starts off with a word-dump full of vocabulary that you as the reader will not know, but everything slowly becomes clearer. On the other hand, I gave up on Stephenson's Baroque Cycle for much the same reason you mention.
    - 9y ago

DanBC 9y ago

I read it when it came out and I enjoyed it then. It had some neat ideas (about online communities and how people would use them; CIC Earth; etc) but really it's just a book and it's okay to not like it for any reason. Also, it's 25 years old now, and some of it hasn't aged well. I do remember disliking the hyperbole of exaggeration (In a few of his early books) - the fractal heatsink, the sharpness of the obsidian blade, the politeness of the tea, etc. http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=843 http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=843

celticninja 9y ago

Ok freehunter ;)

freehunter 9y ago
Hell I'm not even the hero of my own story, let alone a massively popular sci-fi novel :)

starrychloe 9y ago

It's meta - breaking the 4th wall - breaking your suspension of disbelief. Rick & Morty do it all the time. Kind of cheesy, but not a big problem, especially on audio book. I hope they rename the character too.

pavel_lishin 9y ago
Yeah, and make him a white guy. YT can age 10 years and become a romantic interest. Change Raven into a Chinese character, add in a subplot about Bitcoin, remove the motorcycle stuff, maybe move the setting of the Raft to something easier to film - like outskirts of LA...
- Animats 9y ago
  Bleah. Chloë Grace Moretz ("Hit Girl") would make a great YT. She's convincing as a snarky tough girl. The Raft would be quite do-able. After all, there was Waterworld. (I met the guy who did the Softimage water shader for that. It worked out much better for him when he did the water shader for Titanic.) Worn-out ships are easily available. Chase scenes in open water are easier than ones near land, and you can add all the background ships in CGI. There are ways to get the cost down. Watch this trailer for the Blade Runner remake.[1] Nothing expensive there, except old Harrison Ford. A smoke and fog world brings the costs down. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T2b0mp2hco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T2b0mp2hco
  - pavel_lishin 9y ago
    I'm being sarcastic at someone's suggestion that Hiro's name ought to be changed. I'm not actually suggesting any of this happen; it would be a travesty.