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Have seen any scientific IQ test other than fakes ones on internet? The portions are well discrete. IQ test has nothing to do with linguistics ability (at leas

by 0xFFC 9y ago

Have seen any scientific IQ test other than fakes ones on internet? The portions are well discrete. IQ test has nothing to do with linguistics ability (at least we don’t know it) and most of IQ test don’t require you to read or write anything.

dpark 9y ago
> Have seen any scientific IQ test other than fakes ones on internet? ... IQ test has nothing to do with linguistics ability ... The most widely used IQ test has explicit verbal testing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wechsler_Adult_Intelligence_Scale https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wechsler_Adult_Intelligence_...
- 0xFFC 9y ago
  Why you think you should answer when you don’t have answer? Verbal testing is different than spatial ability testing? Do you see the logic? Verbal testing is separate skills. And spatial skills are different too. >The most Completely false.
  - dpark 9y ago
    > Why you think you should answer when you don’t have answer? > Verbal testing is different than spatial ability testing? Do you see the logic? Verbal testing is separate skills. And spatial skills are different too. Because I do have the answer. The article asserts that average IQ is falling. It does not indicate that only, e.g., spacial ability is falling. Given that verbal is a direct component in its own right (as well as a factor in other areas due to comprehension and communication), it is reasonable to state that verbal is likely a factor in the falling average IQ. > Completely false. It's not completely false. WAIS is extremely widely used. It's not simply the most frequently used IQ test[1]. It's one of the most frequently used clinical assessments in general. You're just asserting things you want to be true. If you disagree that WAIS is the most common clinical IQ test, then provide some info on what you believe is more common. Otherwise your claims are clearly without merit. [1] http://www.pearsonclinical.com/psychology/news/2008/wechsler-adult-intelligence-scale-fourth-edition-now-available-from-pearson.html http://www.pearsonclinical.com/psychology/news/2008/wechsler...
    - 0xFFC 9y ago
      >It does not indicate that only, e.g., spacial ability is falling. Given that verbal is a direct component in its own right (as well as a factor in other areas due to comprehension and communication), it is reasonable to state that verbal is likely a factor in the falling average IQ. You gave your answer here: >You're just asserting things you want to be true. Article states the IQ has been dropped. We don’t knew which part, we don’t know why, we don’t now how much. You are just saying “immigrants have problem with language” -> “immigration causes this drop”. This is total nonsense. We don’t know. Maybe there is the change is related to influence of smartphone and etc. has you calculated how much immigrants we accepted? How much our IQ has been dropped? Does the math makes sense with these numbers or there should be other factors? We don’t know. Do you understand what “we don’t know” means? I think the best answer is what you gave to yourself. >You're just asserting things you want to be true.
      - dpark 9y ago
        > You are just saying “immigrants have problem with language” -> “immigration causes this drop”. I never said anything like that. My comments have addressed nothing except your claim that linguistic skills are irrelevant in IQ tests, a claim which you've clearly based on nothing. > This is total nonsense. We don’t know. Maybe there is... No one said that this is the cause. Someone proposed it as a potential reason. Someone else proposed that if so, the language barrier might be the issue. These are just hypotheses. They might be right. They might be wrong. They might be contributing along with many factors. The fact that "we don't know" doesn't mean it's unreasonable to discuss, though. > Do you understand what “we don’t know” means? You should ease up on the condescension toward others. You're clearly not even reading comments at this point. You're just ranting and your arrogance is unwarranted. I don't know why you're so upset that someone would suggest that immigration might impact a nation's measured IQ, but if you can't engage civilly, maybe you shouldn't engage. (By the way, it did not escape my attention that you again failed to provide any sources that back up your claims about IQ tests. You seem to demand a much higher standard of evidence from others than you demand of yourself.)
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soundwave106 9y ago
People who have some form of autism spectrum would disagree: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-hidden-potential-of-autistic-kids/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-hidden-potent...
busemann 9y ago
I don't know why this is downvoted, it's completely correct. Most IQ tests these days are specifically designed to be valid measurements of intelligence despite different cultural and language background of the person taking the test, similar to this one: https://iq-research.info/en/start https://iq-research.info/en/start

by 0xFFC 9y ago

dpark 9y ago

> Have seen any scientific IQ test other than fakes ones on internet? ... IQ test has nothing to do with linguistics ability ... The most widely used IQ test has explicit verbal testing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wechsler_Adult_Intelligence_Scale https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wechsler_Adult_Intelligence_...

0xFFC 9y ago
Why you think you should answer when you don’t have answer? Verbal testing is different than spatial ability testing? Do you see the logic? Verbal testing is separate skills. And spatial skills are different too. >The most Completely false.
- dpark 9y ago
  > Why you think you should answer when you don’t have answer? > Verbal testing is different than spatial ability testing? Do you see the logic? Verbal testing is separate skills. And spatial skills are different too. Because I do have the answer. The article asserts that average IQ is falling. It does not indicate that only, e.g., spacial ability is falling. Given that verbal is a direct component in its own right (as well as a factor in other areas due to comprehension and communication), it is reasonable to state that verbal is likely a factor in the falling average IQ. > Completely false. It's not completely false. WAIS is extremely widely used. It's not simply the most frequently used IQ test[1]. It's one of the most frequently used clinical assessments in general. You're just asserting things you want to be true. If you disagree that WAIS is the most common clinical IQ test, then provide some info on what you believe is more common. Otherwise your claims are clearly without merit. [1] http://www.pearsonclinical.com/psychology/news/2008/wechsler-adult-intelligence-scale-fourth-edition-now-available-from-pearson.html http://www.pearsonclinical.com/psychology/news/2008/wechsler...
  - 0xFFC 9y ago
    >It does not indicate that only, e.g., spacial ability is falling. Given that verbal is a direct component in its own right (as well as a factor in other areas due to comprehension and communication), it is reasonable to state that verbal is likely a factor in the falling average IQ. You gave your answer here: >You're just asserting things you want to be true. Article states the IQ has been dropped. We don’t knew which part, we don’t know why, we don’t now how much. You are just saying “immigrants have problem with language” -> “immigration causes this drop”. This is total nonsense. We don’t know. Maybe there is the change is related to influence of smartphone and etc. has you calculated how much immigrants we accepted? How much our IQ has been dropped? Does the math makes sense with these numbers or there should be other factors? We don’t know. Do you understand what “we don’t know” means? I think the best answer is what you gave to yourself. >You're just asserting things you want to be true.
    - dpark 9y ago
      > You are just saying “immigrants have problem with language” -> “immigration causes this drop”. I never said anything like that. My comments have addressed nothing except your claim that linguistic skills are irrelevant in IQ tests, a claim which you've clearly based on nothing. > This is total nonsense. We don’t know. Maybe there is... No one said that this is the cause. Someone proposed it as a potential reason. Someone else proposed that if so, the language barrier might be the issue. These are just hypotheses. They might be right. They might be wrong. They might be contributing along with many factors. The fact that "we don't know" doesn't mean it's unreasonable to discuss, though. > Do you understand what “we don’t know” means? You should ease up on the condescension toward others. You're clearly not even reading comments at this point. You're just ranting and your arrogance is unwarranted. I don't know why you're so upset that someone would suggest that immigration might impact a nation's measured IQ, but if you can't engage civilly, maybe you shouldn't engage. (By the way, it did not escape my attention that you again failed to provide any sources that back up your claims about IQ tests. You seem to demand a much higher standard of evidence from others than you demand of yourself.)
      - 9y ago

soundwave106 9y ago

People who have some form of autism spectrum would disagree: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-hidden-potential-of-autistic-kids/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-hidden-potent...

busemann 9y ago

I don't know why this is downvoted, it's completely correct. Most IQ tests these days are specifically designed to be valid measurements of intelligence despite different cultural and language background of the person taking the test, similar to this one: https://iq-research.info/en/start https://iq-research.info/en/start