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I'm using (x)ubuntu for over 10 years and every version there are strange problems that still exist today. For example now my volume control uses 5 steps at on

by pasta 9y ago

I'm using (x)ubuntu for over 10 years and every version there are strange problems that still exist today. For example now my volume control uses 5 steps at once instead of one. So every version I have to search the net for some command line command to fix things. I wont leave Linux anytime soon but I can imagine people get sick of this. Ubuntu is great, but maybe the priority should be flawless instead of yet another window manager/desktop environment.

fulafel 9y ago
Community maintained variants like xubuntu rely entirely on volunteers, so you can make a big difference if you can test things & report bugs during the prerelease versions.
digi_owl 9y ago
The underlying issue is CADT churn in the userland. Every few years or so some new "kid" comes onboard and decides they can rewrite some piece of code over a caffeine fueled weekend. This then effectively solves some surface problems but resets the clock on a whole lot of other issues...
- msla 9y ago
  Yes, blame everything on the young. That isn't biased at all. And the fact young people are more likely to be People of Color due to demographic shifts isn't a factor at all, I'm sure.
  - dang 9y ago
    Would you please stop posting this kind of comment to Hacker News? It breaks the HN guidelines, specifically this one: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." Also this one: "Assume good faith." (<-- Edit: whoops, haven't added that one yet! It's coming.) Blatant nastiness is easier to do something about because it's so obvious. But when people degrade discussion by replying to the worst about each other, the frog boils more subtly. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - msla 9y ago
      Would you please moderate hateful and bigoted statements on HN, then?
  - mr_overalls 9y ago
    Oh, good Lord.
- hysan 9y ago
  I never heard of that acronym, CADT, so I had to look it up. For the curious, it stands for "Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers" model.[1] And that exact scenario... wow. I've run into it before and have taken the effort to retest and revalidate some bugs for reopening. I thought I was just unlucky with how many such bugs affected me, but I guess I wasn't alone. [1] https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
  - digi_owl 9y ago
    I would advice against linking that. JWZ do not like HN much, so he has set his site to refer-filter every incoming connection to a less than pleasant image on imgur...
eloisant 9y ago
They will now stop maintaining their own DE (Unity) to rely on Gnome instead. So in a way they'll be spending less resources on window manager/desktop environment. Also Linux on the desktop went a long way since I started using it 20 years ago, but it's always a catch-up play with new hardware specs.
- sangnoir 9y ago
  I doubt they will be taking resources from the default Gnome desktop to attend to XFCE issues: Xubuntu = Ubuntu + XFCE, which I believe is not formally supported by Canonical similar to Kubuntu (KDE)
Mikeb85 9y ago
> Ubuntu is great, but maybe the priority should be flawless instead of yet another window manager/desktop environment. Well switching to Systemd, Gnome Shell and Wayland instead of their own solutions goes a long way towards freeing up their resources to make that experience flawless.
11235813213455 9y ago
Have you tried Lubuntu?
PopsiclePete 9y ago
I am absolutely sick of it. And I left. Broken bluetooth headphone pairing due to some idiotic "patches" Ubuntu "maintain" as part of their "mobile" efforts. Untold wasted hours on custom desktop environments, X11 replacements, "mobile"- all abandoned or half-assed. Broken upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10 that left my network inoperable. Half-assed systemd integration - why do I have two competing networking services on my computer ???? Ubuntu is a ghetto. A "we-are-all-super-friendly-united-in-harmony-giant-human-family-everything-is-amazing" ghetto of too much advertising, too much PR, too much "community" this-and-that and not nearly enough engineering. This is what happens when you have a billionaire benefactor, too much free time, and no fear of failure - lack of direction, lack of vision, lack of anything of quality, really.
- type0 9y ago
  Ubuntu is for noobs, try openSUSE with KDE. If you can't be happy with that you should run Gentoo - that's fun too...
  - PopsiclePete 9y ago
    Fedora is ok for me. At least they're moving forward, never sideways or back.
- vram22 9y ago
  Interested to know what other Linux you moved to (if it was Linux, and not, say MacOS or Windows). Asking because I've had various issues with it too. Considering Linux Mint or Arch.

by pasta 9y ago

fulafel 9y ago

Community maintained variants like xubuntu rely entirely on volunteers, so you can make a big difference if you can test things & report bugs during the prerelease versions.

digi_owl 9y ago

The underlying issue is CADT churn in the userland. Every few years or so some new "kid" comes onboard and decides they can rewrite some piece of code over a caffeine fueled weekend. This then effectively solves some surface problems but resets the clock on a whole lot of other issues...

msla 9y ago
Yes, blame everything on the young. That isn't biased at all. And the fact young people are more likely to be People of Color due to demographic shifts isn't a factor at all, I'm sure.
- dang 9y ago
  Would you please stop posting this kind of comment to Hacker News? It breaks the HN guidelines, specifically this one: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." Also this one: "Assume good faith." (<-- Edit: whoops, haven't added that one yet! It's coming.) Blatant nastiness is easier to do something about because it's so obvious. But when people degrade discussion by replying to the worst about each other, the frog boils more subtly. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - msla 9y ago
    Would you please moderate hateful and bigoted statements on HN, then?
- mr_overalls 9y ago
  Oh, good Lord.
hysan 9y ago
I never heard of that acronym, CADT, so I had to look it up. For the curious, it stands for "Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers" model.[1] And that exact scenario... wow. I've run into it before and have taken the effort to retest and revalidate some bugs for reopening. I thought I was just unlucky with how many such bugs affected me, but I guess I wasn't alone. [1] https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
- digi_owl 9y ago
  I would advice against linking that. JWZ do not like HN much, so he has set his site to refer-filter every incoming connection to a less than pleasant image on imgur...

eloisant 9y ago

They will now stop maintaining their own DE (Unity) to rely on Gnome instead. So in a way they'll be spending less resources on window manager/desktop environment. Also Linux on the desktop went a long way since I started using it 20 years ago, but it's always a catch-up play with new hardware specs.

sangnoir 9y ago
I doubt they will be taking resources from the default Gnome desktop to attend to XFCE issues: Xubuntu = Ubuntu + XFCE, which I believe is not formally supported by Canonical similar to Kubuntu (KDE)

Mikeb85 9y ago

> Ubuntu is great, but maybe the priority should be flawless instead of yet another window manager/desktop environment. Well switching to Systemd, Gnome Shell and Wayland instead of their own solutions goes a long way towards freeing up their resources to make that experience flawless.

11235813213455 9y ago

Have you tried Lubuntu?

PopsiclePete 9y ago

I am absolutely sick of it. And I left. Broken bluetooth headphone pairing due to some idiotic "patches" Ubuntu "maintain" as part of their "mobile" efforts. Untold wasted hours on custom desktop environments, X11 replacements, "mobile"- all abandoned or half-assed. Broken upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10 that left my network inoperable. Half-assed systemd integration - why do I have two competing networking services on my computer ???? Ubuntu is a ghetto. A "we-are-all-super-friendly-united-in-harmony-giant-human-family-everything-is-amazing" ghetto of too much advertising, too much PR, too much "community" this-and-that and not nearly enough engineering. This is what happens when you have a billionaire benefactor, too much free time, and no fear of failure - lack of direction, lack of vision, lack of anything of quality, really.

type0 9y ago
Ubuntu is for noobs, try openSUSE with KDE. If you can't be happy with that you should run Gentoo - that's fun too...
- PopsiclePete 9y ago
  Fedora is ok for me. At least they're moving forward, never sideways or back.
vram22 9y ago
Interested to know what other Linux you moved to (if it was Linux, and not, say MacOS or Windows). Asking because I've had various issues with it too. Considering Linux Mint or Arch.