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Not sure how it could actually go that far. Some people just don't have social media accounts, you can't ban people entry for that. If that does happen, there's

Not sure how it could actually go that far. Some people just don't have social media accounts, you can't ban people entry for that. If that does happen, there's no way it's gonna stay legal and the simplest solution is a boycott of social media.

SerLava 9y ago
It's very easy to extra-judicially deny entry at the border, without much in the way of recourse. I imagine there would be backlash against it, but it's very likely that for some period of time, travel to, from, and between specific countries will be denied to people who "refuse" to produce a social media account.
kbart 9y ago
"you can't ban people entry for that." Who said so? Border controls have right to turn non-citizens away on border if they suspect you are lying or not disclosing all information to them.
- aaron-lebo 9y ago
  It'll happen on a small scale while this is working itself out, certainly, but it is hard to imagine a true defacto or dejure uniform ban on people without social media accounts. The right gets upset over insurance requirements, hard to imagine a real requirement to have a Twitter account.
  - vidarh 9y ago
    > The right gets upset over insurance requirements, hard to imagine a real requirement to have a Twitter account. The people who are affected are not voting. EDIT: missed that it affects naturalized citizens too, but see below.
    - aaron-lebo 9y ago
      Naturalized citizens vote.
      - vidarh 9y ago
        I'd missed that it still affect naturalized citizens too. But by the time they've gained citizenship most of these immigrants will already have given up their information and had a long time to get accustomed to accepting this. They also not make up nearly a large enough group for it to be likely to have much effect.
        aaron-lebo 9y ago
        You're right. Guess I'm trying to rationalize that something so ridiculous could never happen, but it already is... Crazy world.
  - tajen 9y ago
    Actually the right gets upset rather about censorship and death threats currently, but you might not have seen it in the newspapers (that's what censorship means). I discovered it when James Damore was accused of hate speech and explicitly menaced, and the same happened last week when UC Berkeley launched police investigations for "hate speech" into every student who helped the Free Speech Week on the campus. So, no, people who are supposed to defend your freedom aren't even in a position of weighing for basic rights currently, especially if it's related to Twitter.
omaranto 9y ago
I studied mathematics in Mexico City as an undergrad and know plenty of people who tried to go to a math conference in the US but had their request for a visitor visa denied. (I've personally never been denied a US visa, and I think most of my friends have been able to go to the US whenever they want, but still plenty of people get denied.) The embassy doesn't give you a reason and there's nothing you can do about it. In the future the reason they don't tell you could easily be "It seemed fishy that he didn't have a twitter account" or "Last facebook post from a year ago? Must be a fake account". If you aren't told the reason it can be anything.

SerLava 9y ago

It's very easy to extra-judicially deny entry at the border, without much in the way of recourse. I imagine there would be backlash against it, but it's very likely that for some period of time, travel to, from, and between specific countries will be denied to people who "refuse" to produce a social media account.

kbart 9y ago

"you can't ban people entry for that." Who said so? Border controls have right to turn non-citizens away on border if they suspect you are lying or not disclosing all information to them.

aaron-lebo 9y ago
It'll happen on a small scale while this is working itself out, certainly, but it is hard to imagine a true defacto or dejure uniform ban on people without social media accounts. The right gets upset over insurance requirements, hard to imagine a real requirement to have a Twitter account.
- vidarh 9y ago
  > The right gets upset over insurance requirements, hard to imagine a real requirement to have a Twitter account. The people who are affected are not voting. EDIT: missed that it affects naturalized citizens too, but see below.
  - aaron-lebo 9y ago
    Naturalized citizens vote.
    - vidarh 9y ago
      I'd missed that it still affect naturalized citizens too. But by the time they've gained citizenship most of these immigrants will already have given up their information and had a long time to get accustomed to accepting this. They also not make up nearly a large enough group for it to be likely to have much effect.
      - aaron-lebo 9y ago
        You're right. Guess I'm trying to rationalize that something so ridiculous could never happen, but it already is... Crazy world.
- tajen 9y ago
  Actually the right gets upset rather about censorship and death threats currently, but you might not have seen it in the newspapers (that's what censorship means). I discovered it when James Damore was accused of hate speech and explicitly menaced, and the same happened last week when UC Berkeley launched police investigations for "hate speech" into every student who helped the Free Speech Week on the campus. So, no, people who are supposed to defend your freedom aren't even in a position of weighing for basic rights currently, especially if it's related to Twitter.

omaranto 9y ago

I studied mathematics in Mexico City as an undergrad and know plenty of people who tried to go to a math conference in the US but had their request for a visitor visa denied. (I've personally never been denied a US visa, and I think most of my friends have been able to go to the US whenever they want, but still plenty of people get denied.) The embassy doesn't give you a reason and there's nothing you can do about it. In the future the reason they don't tell you could easily be "It seemed fishy that he didn't have a twitter account" or "Last facebook post from a year ago? Must be a fake account". If you aren't told the reason it can be anything.