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As much as I’ve always loved to come to the US and as fascinating as some US conferences are (e.g. StrangeLoop might be my personal fav) – no international atte
by musha68k 9y ago
As much as I’ve always loved to come to the US and as fascinating as some US conferences are (e.g. StrangeLoop might be my personal fav) – no international attendee or speaker can be expected to put up with this ever expanding amount of bullshit anymore.
If the science community or “our industry” really want to encourage and unlock the magic of diversity we need new venues for a whole lot of conferences either in Canada or the EU.
- justaman 9y agoWell if you are not attempting to stay here then (if I understand this correctly) you will not need to release your social media information.
- s0ss 9y agoErm, did you read the article? Visiting the country != immigration.
- paradite 9y agoIt's also implemented for visitors, in fact earlier than this. http://fortune.com/2017/06/01/u-s-border-social-media/ http://fortune.com/2017/06/01/u-s-border-social-media/
- thinkMOAR 9y agodon't forget the classic: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093796/Emily-Bunting-Leigh-Van-Bryan-UK-tourists-arrested-destroy-America-Twitter-jokes.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093796/Emily-Buntin...
- zimpenfish 9y agoTo be honest, as an English person, I'd be quite happy for the US to have kept both of them along with anyone else who uses "destroy" in that context.
- k-mcgrady 9y agoIt's really only a matter of time. It's already an 'optional extra' on the visa waiver.
- musha68k 9y agoIIRC they had (non mandatory) questions about social media accounts already on the ESTA form last time I flew into NYC in January.
- misiti3780 9y agoThe law is obviously offensively bad, and I do not support (dual citizen to the US), but I think the bigger problem here is any country can do this now -- and any of them that can get away with doing this will do it. The real solution is get the fuck off facebook.
- dullgiulio 9y agoBy this logic, when this administration starts discriminating people who are into programming ("they cause cyber terrorism," might be the excuse) we shall all "get the fuck off programming"?
- misiti3780 9y agoi follow your logic but respectively disagree - there are so many good reasons delete your facebook account at this point - and lets face it, when they say "social media" they mean facebook
- cm2187 9y agoThey probably also care about the videos you watch, the keyword you search, the private conversations you have on chat apps.
- wybiral 9y agoAnd your contacts...
- baursak 9y agoNot when you say "I don't have a Facebook account" and promptly escorted into secondary inspection area at the border for more scrutiny.
- 23443463453 9y agoI think your logic is flawed, Facebook is nothing more than a self maintained state surveillance dossier that naive fools have been tricked into participating in. As Zuckerberg famously said early on "I can't believe these idiots are giving me all their information" (paraphrased). No dictator or other authoritarian regime of all of history could have even ever dreamed in their wildest state of imagination that people would willingly participate in such a self-surveillance system. It's really rather bonkers and only a symptom of the human detachment from reality that surrounds them.
- thinkMOAR 9y agoAt this point in time i still wonder why people physically move from one part of the world to another to hear somebody speak. What is wrong with live streaming? (and record, download and re-play)
- legulere 9y agoThat’s true for the talks, but there’s a lot going on around the talks.
- thinkMOAR 9y agoThat might be, and some might run back to the hotel room right after the seminar/conference is finished. Though primary reason of traveling for a conference is to hear that person speak at the conference, anything extra before/after talks that happens is bonus, not primary reason of travel.
- coldtea 9y ago>Though primary reason of traveling for a conference is to hear that person speak at the conference, anything extra before/after talks that happens is bonus, not primary reason of travel. Again, for you. I know many types whose primary reason is networking.
- diggan 9y agoNot sure about others but I don't go to conferences mainly to hear somebody speak but everything around, meeting people and hearing all wonderful ideas from random people and more. So live streaming doesn't really solve that.
- musha68k 9y agoAt the next conference you attend I encourage you to mainly focus on the people there, rather than the talks – more often than not, the topics of those talks will come up in even more interesting discussions anyways :)
- pdimitar 9y ago
- Zenst 9y agoOh I think you will find the EU is not far behind and in some area's further ahead in this orwellian future. Germany for example on verge of rolling out facial ID recognition and trialing currently: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-security/german-police-test-facial-recognition-cameras-at-berlin-station-idUSKBN1AH4VR https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-security/german-p... This with data retention laws imposed upon ISP's, they already have all your data, so no need to ask.
- musha68k 9y agoYou are right, it's getting worse everywhere - it has been so for far too long. That said, I can't imagine a more unwelcoming tourist entry into a "western" country than the US at this point in time.
- pilsetnieks 9y agoIt isn't getting worse everywhere - that's just defeatist attitude. For example, the EU data retention directive that Zenst mentions was struck down last year; the EU is adopting a new personal data protection regulation next year that will significantly improve personal data handling; the EU introduced the right to be forgotten, etc.
- pilsetnieks 9y agoThe EU data retention directive was invalidated last year as overreaching. Several countries still have national laws on their books that require data retention but those won't stand up when challenged.
- autokad 9y agofrom what i can tell, this would not apply to you (conference attendees / speakers), but even though they said immigrants seeking visa, perhaps they could mean a broader set of visas. I couldnt tell from reading the article if they meant viewing their wall or private messages. Did anyone have any clarification on that?
- moomin 9y agoIt really is about time some international conferences, and StrangeLoop is a good example, just upped sticks and moved north of the border.
- ehnto 9y agoAustralia is nice this time of year. Why not send a conference or two down under? Smart, well educated individuals, all motivated by the perpetual drive for international relevance and the existential dread of possibly being taken by the wildlife at any moment.
- bairrd 9y agoAustralia has similarly draconian monitoring of it's citizens. The whole blow-up about metadata in the US surprised me, because I was already conditioned to believe the government was reading all our actual messages. A couple of years ago there was a violent confrontation between white Australians and Lebanese, and part of the news cycle around that was the media nonchalantly reporting on the contents of text message conversations the white supremacists in Australia were having. Australia probably has an even broader reaching surveillance state, but Australian media never reports on it because the Australian people and its government have a far less antagonistic relationship than that of US citizens and the government.
- coldtea 9y ago>Australia is nice this time of year. Why not send a conference or two down under? Because it's even worse in this regard. >Smart, well educated individuals Well, let's not generalize.
- vacri 9y ago> Because it's even worse in this regard. Do you have some stories of conference speakers or attendees being treated this way in Australia?
- raverbashing 9y agoHonest answer? It's very far for pretty much everybody not in AUS/NZ 12h if you're in the West Coast, a shorter trip if you're in Japan and that's "the closest" most people will be
- ehnto 9y ago