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Not to suggest that this is okay to do to immigrants, (legal ones at that!) but the next step is clear. If this works well and remains unopposed, the average ci

Not to suggest that this is okay to do to immigrants, (legal ones at that!) but the next step is clear. If this works well and remains unopposed, the average citizen will be targeted next.

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aaron-lebo 9y ago
The average citizen already is targeted. People have been voluntarily and involuntarily sharing their personal details, daily habits, purchases, and browsing habits for years. It's probably safe to say that a lot of government agencies and companies know more about you than you do yourself (or at least they have that data). This move will be heavily criticized (as it should), but there's a false sense of security out there. Outfits like Palantir exist, Facebook and others have never been shy about tracking people without permission, and through public check ins people basically broadcast their physical location. In another thread yesterday someone was saying that they were a former FB employee and FB regularly purchased customer histories from Amazon and tied that to their own internal databases. That sounds very realistic. It's always strange how upset the tech community gets about actions like this when most of the companies people work for are doing it, and that information is getting sent to the government through things like national security letters, anyway.
Chris2048 9y ago
A slippery slope, you say?
- coldtea 9y ago
  Some real life slopes are actually slippery, and some metaphorical slopes are legitimately so as well. Unless you have some reason to suspect the events at the end of the slope are too farfetched to actually happen, which I don't see any, this is not a "slippery slope fallacy", but a run of the mill prediction about an Overton window opening.
  - Chris2048 9y ago
    > a run of the mill prediction As a prediction it's fine, but the original post said: > the next step is clear and > the average citizen will be targeted next There was no suggestion that this was just speculation.

Not to suggest that this is okay to do to immigrants, (legal ones at that!) but the next step is clear. If this works well and remains unopposed, the average citizen will be targeted next.

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aaron-lebo 9y ago

The average citizen already is targeted. People have been voluntarily and involuntarily sharing their personal details, daily habits, purchases, and browsing habits for years. It's probably safe to say that a lot of government agencies and companies know more about you than you do yourself (or at least they have that data). This move will be heavily criticized (as it should), but there's a false sense of security out there. Outfits like Palantir exist, Facebook and others have never been shy about tracking people without permission, and through public check ins people basically broadcast their physical location. In another thread yesterday someone was saying that they were a former FB employee and FB regularly purchased customer histories from Amazon and tied that to their own internal databases. That sounds very realistic. It's always strange how upset the tech community gets about actions like this when most of the companies people work for are doing it, and that information is getting sent to the government through things like national security letters, anyway.

Chris2048 9y ago

A slippery slope, you say?

coldtea 9y ago
Some real life slopes are actually slippery, and some metaphorical slopes are legitimately so as well. Unless you have some reason to suspect the events at the end of the slope are too farfetched to actually happen, which I don't see any, this is not a "slippery slope fallacy", but a run of the mill prediction about an Overton window opening.
- Chris2048 9y ago
  > a run of the mill prediction As a prediction it's fine, but the original post said: > the next step is clear and > the average citizen will be targeted next There was no suggestion that this was just speculation.