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I can’t access the original study (sci-hub too slow), which countries are affected by the effect and which aren’t? It would be interesting if China, Japan, Kor
by titanix2 9y ago
I can’t access the original study (sci-hub too slow), which countries are affected by the effect and which aren’t?
It would be interesting if China, Japan, Korea aren’t affected while Western countries are.
- thriftwy 9y agoAt least Japan and South Korea are going to be hit by more severe problem: They'll have much fewer people to even take those IQ tests.
- sprash 9y agoNot a problem at all. Historically fluctuations in populations are the norm. Japan and South Korea has more than enough productivity to support everybody including the elderly. It is just a matter of distribution.
- thriftwy 9y agoI agree with you mostly, but they still have to steer through. Historically we had neither massive population aging nor Ponzi pension systems to worry about. Now we do.
- Sean1708 9y agoMaybe I'm being really naive here but (other than all being Asian countries) what attributes do China, Japan, and Korea all share that Western countries don't?
- jchb 9y agoLet me take a guess. Comparatively low immigration rate. Hardly accept any refugees (28 individuals accepted by Japan in 2016). Be able to support yourself or be (quite literally) kicked out. High barriers to citizenship.
- fifnir 9y agoyou are joking right?
- jchb 9y agoI am not. But two things. First, in response to the parent, I am pointing out something that Japan, Korea and China has in common. I am not asserting that "I am 100% sure that immigration is bad for the national average IQ". Second, of course individuals in an immigrant population are very successful and to great benefit to societies that receive them. And if you do not accept refugees, of course you miss out on some Einsteins. That's not what we are discussing here.
- 0xFFC 9y agoAre you serious? Let me ask you how many of immigrants are grad students or prople with high tech jobs? Is it one of the stupidest thing to say drop in IQ is connected to immigrants! It is greatly disappointing to see this kind of nonsense in HN which is kind of home for many hackers and programmers. Hearing these kind of stupid ideas in C-Span? Who cares? But HN, that shows how low our societies has become.
- swsieber 9y agoWhat percentage of immigrants are grad students or people with high tech jobs. I don't know, and I'm genuinely curious.
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- jchb 9y agoThere are statistics on education level. For example "Share of the population aged 25-64, by educational attainment level, by place of birth and by sex, EU-28, 2016". http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Share_of_the_population_aged_25-64,_by_educational_attainment_level,_by_place_of_birth_and_by_sex,_EU-28,_2016_(%25)_MI17.png http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/.... Now let's say that you make it difficult (either deliberately or due to language barriers) for individuals in the left-most part of that graph to stay. What happens long term? I don't know.
- coldtea 9y agoLots? For one, they are all ancient civilizations -- most western countries aren't. Second, they have different value systems (more collective than individualistic). Third, they have different nutrition and culinary preferences. Fourth, they have differences in lifestyles. Fifth, they are more homogenous than a lot of western countries like the US, Britain and France, with much smaller (percentage wise) immigrant populations. In most aspects, a place like Chicago and a place like Tokyo might as well be on different planets.