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> This is an insult to the thousands of people who make it in the bay area on barista wages. No this is the reality of living in the Bay Area. People who are l

by urda 9y ago

> This is an insult to the thousands of people who make it in the bay area on barista wages. No this is the reality of living in the Bay Area. People who are living on barista wages are getting screwed by it. It's an insult to them that this is the reality today. > Just fucking wow. Alright calm down, you're on HN not reddit. You can express your viewpoint without being dramatic and vulgar. > You can save in the bay area, live with roommates and pay <2k rent. A tech worker shouldn't have to be loading up on roommates to get sub 2k rent (which is still crazy high compared to the rest of the country) but in the Bay area they have to. Why? It's insane that's how it is. > At a salary of 100k you should be able to save 1500-2k per month comfortably. Again looks great on paper, but you bet California tax is going to eat most of your paycheck in one go. Not to mention that many are having to carry student debt, personal debt, or have other financial obligations. > and save for a downpayment if buying a home is your goal. Let's be absolutely clear on this: there is currently little to no path to home ownership in the bay area for the majority living there. This isn't drama, this isn't made up, this is fact. > If you think you're entitled to owning a big house, 2 cars, with money left over for dining out everyday and to pad your savings for a 5M retirement fund, you're going to have a bad time. If you think that those living in the Bay Area still subscribe to this "dream", you're completely disconnected from SF. > you're going to have a bad time. Again, not reddit. You can express serious viewpoints here without memes and jokes.

Akujin 9y ago
I don't understand where people get off telling someone who makes six figures that they should "get a roommate" just so that they can actually save some money.
- urda 9y ago
  Typically it is one of the following: - Someone who is completely disconnected from reality - Older generations where "a firm handshake a smile got me my job and education, why are you younger folks so poor? Why didn't you buy a cheap house decades ago like I did?" - Someone who never lived in the Bay Area, yet feels like they should comment on those trying to make a living there.
  - gxs 9y ago
    You can see how I might have been confused about which site I was on since the level of entitlement is exactly the same. Not sure your preaching about this not being Reddit contributed to this discussion anymore than my comments. Admittedly I could have reigned in the language, however. Finally, to address your points: >>>How can you expect a technial worker Shining example of my point about entitlement. >>>Someone who is detached from reality >>>Older generations >>>Someone who never lived in the Bay Area On my part at least, wrong, wrong, and wrong. You should not jump to assumptions. I grew up extremely poor and followed the exact same path I outlined to make it out of the bottom rung. If you're trying to launch your career in your 30s in the bay area and have children etc., the way others have mentioned, then I especially sympathize with you and it's a different conversation. Admittedly that is harder to do here.
    - urda 9y ago
      > Not sure your preaching about this not being Reddit contributed to this discussion anymore than my comments. Yeah and it was painfully pointed out in two comments (and your downvotes) that your behavior is unacceptable here. > You can see how I might have been confused about which site I was on since the level of entitlement is exactly the same. Entitlement? You're the one assuming that it's all A-OK in the Bay and clearly it's people not spending their money correctly. I'm sadden to have to type this: but this statement clearly demonstrates you failed to ready any of my comment. > On my part at least, wrong, wrong, and wrong. 1) Again, it was demonstrated you have no idea how financing and salaries are working in SF. 2) I really don't care what age anyone is, but it is a common anthem that those that "got there's" think it's because younger groups are not working as hard. See also: NIMBY's that are blocking a lot of SF development. 3) That remains to be seen, or you haven't kept up with SF. Source: I've worked at a few startups and 1 IPO'd company in the Bay, and even as a "higher paid" individual I had to balance the bottom line after taxes and cost of living. I'm lucky that I could live there, but for many below my position it's not possible. Oh and I would commute up to 1-2 hours one way just to reduce my cost of living into SF. At this point I will not engage with your comments any further, as you have demonstrated you do not meet HN standards here. One last note, try to lay off the vulgarity and memes in the future.
- s73ver_ 9y ago
  Why should that be limited to those who make six figures?
dang 9y ago
You didn't start this flamewar but you fueled it with condescension and got ruder as it went on. Please don't do that again. Comments need to get more civil and substantive, not less, as a thread gets more provocative. Otherwise we all go up in flames. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- urda 9y ago
  You're right, and I took a 1~2 week leave from HN because of it myself. I did get lost a bit getting over worked about the situation. It's a topic that hits close to home for me as SF was a great place to live for me for a better part of a decade, but myself and other friends had to leave as the rising costs squeezed us out.

by urda 9y ago

Akujin 9y ago

I don't understand where people get off telling someone who makes six figures that they should "get a roommate" just so that they can actually save some money.

urda 9y ago
Typically it is one of the following: - Someone who is completely disconnected from reality - Older generations where "a firm handshake a smile got me my job and education, why are you younger folks so poor? Why didn't you buy a cheap house decades ago like I did?" - Someone who never lived in the Bay Area, yet feels like they should comment on those trying to make a living there.
- gxs 9y ago
  You can see how I might have been confused about which site I was on since the level of entitlement is exactly the same. Not sure your preaching about this not being Reddit contributed to this discussion anymore than my comments. Admittedly I could have reigned in the language, however. Finally, to address your points: >>>How can you expect a technial worker Shining example of my point about entitlement. >>>Someone who is detached from reality >>>Older generations >>>Someone who never lived in the Bay Area On my part at least, wrong, wrong, and wrong. You should not jump to assumptions. I grew up extremely poor and followed the exact same path I outlined to make it out of the bottom rung. If you're trying to launch your career in your 30s in the bay area and have children etc., the way others have mentioned, then I especially sympathize with you and it's a different conversation. Admittedly that is harder to do here.
  - urda 9y ago
    > Not sure your preaching about this not being Reddit contributed to this discussion anymore than my comments. Yeah and it was painfully pointed out in two comments (and your downvotes) that your behavior is unacceptable here. > You can see how I might have been confused about which site I was on since the level of entitlement is exactly the same. Entitlement? You're the one assuming that it's all A-OK in the Bay and clearly it's people not spending their money correctly. I'm sadden to have to type this: but this statement clearly demonstrates you failed to ready any of my comment. > On my part at least, wrong, wrong, and wrong. 1) Again, it was demonstrated you have no idea how financing and salaries are working in SF. 2) I really don't care what age anyone is, but it is a common anthem that those that "got there's" think it's because younger groups are not working as hard. See also: NIMBY's that are blocking a lot of SF development. 3) That remains to be seen, or you haven't kept up with SF. Source: I've worked at a few startups and 1 IPO'd company in the Bay, and even as a "higher paid" individual I had to balance the bottom line after taxes and cost of living. I'm lucky that I could live there, but for many below my position it's not possible. Oh and I would commute up to 1-2 hours one way just to reduce my cost of living into SF. At this point I will not engage with your comments any further, as you have demonstrated you do not meet HN standards here. One last note, try to lay off the vulgarity and memes in the future.
s73ver_ 9y ago
Why should that be limited to those who make six figures?

dang 9y ago

You didn't start this flamewar but you fueled it with condescension and got ruder as it went on. Please don't do that again. Comments need to get more civil and substantive, not less, as a thread gets more provocative. Otherwise we all go up in flames. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

urda 9y ago
You're right, and I took a 1~2 week leave from HN because of it myself. I did get lost a bit getting over worked about the situation. It's a topic that hits close to home for me as SF was a great place to live for me for a better part of a decade, but myself and other friends had to leave as the rising costs squeezed us out.