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And when public college becomes the new high school continue to add layers of education as needed.

toomuchtodo 9y ago
Nah, we just realize that we're demanding an excessive amount of education for most jobs because employers can demand it with no cost to themselves, forcing an entire generation to take on a debt burden their parents did not have to because the cost of education had not become overly inflated yet. The fix for this can be realized with a tax that funds education; if you need someone with a bachelors, you pay X as a tax. If you need someone with a masters, you pay 2X. A PhD? 4X. If the position doesn't require a degree and you train them, you pay no tax (ie journeyman or apprenticeship).
frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
Are you arguing against public high schools? I don't understand.
- KekDemaga 9y ago
  Not at all, I'm just pointing out that many jobs that only required a high school degree now require a college degree without the job fundamentally changing all that much. More people attending college would likely worsen that trend to the point where "College 2" (whatever it would be called) would then be required to stand out.
  - wfo 9y ago
    And we would have educated our citizenry and let millions of people learn about the world and the expanses of human knowledge instead of just the rich for nothing, since those citizens wouldn't be able to generate extra wealth for their bosses. What a nightmare.
    - KekDemaga 9y ago
      Your view comes from a very simplistic model of the world without an understanding of the limited resources we are working with. The internet empowered individuals to engage in self directed learning that was impossible a generation ago, virtually anything you wish to know or understand is a google search away. If you personally require someone in a sweater vest to stand in front of you and speak in order to learn it is not my job to subsidise that activity or his salary.
      - wfo 9y ago
        Resources are not limited at all, we have more resources today in the US than any group has ever had in all of human history. We just choose to allocate them on things that are bad, like bombing hospitals or buying tanks for police departments or jailing millions for nothing or corporate welfare, and not things that are good, like learning or healthcare. In the golden age of prosperity for the US, the highest tax bracket was 94%. We tax nothing and demand nothing because we have been trained to think we deserve nothing; through no fault of your own, you have been tricked into accepting this status quo as 'necessary' when it is anything but, it is explicitly contrived and enforced by wealth to keep wealth in the hands of the wealthy at the expensive of the lives and livelihood of everyone else. Self-directed learning is great, but if you've ever been a teacher or a student in a genuinely difficult subject you know autodidactism is VERY limited and works for a tiny few on a tiny number of subjects. Autodidacts generally have an oversimplified understanding of a subject they think they know because they lack the social engagement in the topic and deep understanding that comes from engaging with true expertise. They think they know far more than they do, nearly every single time in my experience interacting with them. Which is not bad, as a teacher this is an excellent place to have your students start because you can quickly disabuse them of this notion and they become eager to learn more.
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      - freeflight 9y ago
        > If you personally require someone in a sweater vest to stand in front of you and speak in order to learn it is not my job to subsidise that activity or his salary. Even if one didn't require that many employers require exactly that from you in the form of a diploma or some other authority vouching for your claimed expertise and skills.

Nah, we just realize that we're demanding an excessive amount of education for most jobs because employers can demand it with no cost to themselves, forcing an entire generation to take on a debt burden their parents did not have to because the cost of education had not become overly inflated yet. The fix for this can be realized with a tax that funds education; if you need someone with a bachelors, you pay X as a tax. If you need someone with a masters, you pay 2X. A PhD? 4X. If the position doesn't require a degree and you train them, you pay no tax (ie journeyman or apprenticeship).

frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago

Are you arguing against public high schools? I don't understand.

KekDemaga 9y ago
Not at all, I'm just pointing out that many jobs that only required a high school degree now require a college degree without the job fundamentally changing all that much. More people attending college would likely worsen that trend to the point where "College 2" (whatever it would be called) would then be required to stand out.
- wfo 9y ago
  And we would have educated our citizenry and let millions of people learn about the world and the expanses of human knowledge instead of just the rich for nothing, since those citizens wouldn't be able to generate extra wealth for their bosses. What a nightmare.
  - KekDemaga 9y ago
    Your view comes from a very simplistic model of the world without an understanding of the limited resources we are working with. The internet empowered individuals to engage in self directed learning that was impossible a generation ago, virtually anything you wish to know or understand is a google search away. If you personally require someone in a sweater vest to stand in front of you and speak in order to learn it is not my job to subsidise that activity or his salary.
    - wfo 9y ago
      Resources are not limited at all, we have more resources today in the US than any group has ever had in all of human history. We just choose to allocate them on things that are bad, like bombing hospitals or buying tanks for police departments or jailing millions for nothing or corporate welfare, and not things that are good, like learning or healthcare. In the golden age of prosperity for the US, the highest tax bracket was 94%. We tax nothing and demand nothing because we have been trained to think we deserve nothing; through no fault of your own, you have been tricked into accepting this status quo as 'necessary' when it is anything but, it is explicitly contrived and enforced by wealth to keep wealth in the hands of the wealthy at the expensive of the lives and livelihood of everyone else. Self-directed learning is great, but if you've ever been a teacher or a student in a genuinely difficult subject you know autodidactism is VERY limited and works for a tiny few on a tiny number of subjects. Autodidacts generally have an oversimplified understanding of a subject they think they know because they lack the social engagement in the topic and deep understanding that comes from engaging with true expertise. They think they know far more than they do, nearly every single time in my experience interacting with them. Which is not bad, as a teacher this is an excellent place to have your students start because you can quickly disabuse them of this notion and they become eager to learn more.
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    - freeflight 9y ago
      > If you personally require someone in a sweater vest to stand in front of you and speak in order to learn it is not my job to subsidise that activity or his salary. Even if one didn't require that many employers require exactly that from you in the form of a diploma or some other authority vouching for your claimed expertise and skills.