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> "Indirect democracy is still democracy" How about an oligarchy, is that still a democracy? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy https://en.m.wikipedia.

• oblio 9y ago
  Of course not, but that's assuming that the shadowy "Eurogroup" decides everything. Which is not true. The European Parliament is democratically elected, the European Council is (indirectly) democratically elected, the European Council is literally the heads of states elected, again, democratically, by member countries. The European Commission is not democratically elected, because guess what, no public administration is fully democratically elected. No state could ever function if its "plumbers" are changed 100% every 4 years. The UK doesn't do it, Switzerland doesn't do it, Australia doesn't do it, France doesn't do it, etc.
  • pavlov 9y ago
    No state could ever function if its "plumbers" are changed 100% every 4 years. To be fair, the United States tries to do mostly that -- and the utter dysfunction of 2017 has demonstrated the dangers of that approach.
    • oblio 9y ago
      Not even Trump does that. Imagine replacing all librarians or doctors or lawyers or whatever, down to the lowest levels of state administration. And then do that every 4 years. Insanity! :)
  • ZenoArrow 9y ago
    > "No state could ever function if its "plumbers" are changed 100% every 4 years." We're not talking about the "plumbers", we're talking about the "bosses", and I'd suggest to you it's a bit of a stretch to call an institution where corporations have a very strong influence on the selection of bosses as something that is truly democratic. Representative or direct democracy is required to counteract the influence of the rich and powerful.